Where is the outrage? Where have all the "humans" gone? Israel slaughtered over 300 innocent civilians in Gaza last night. Most of them women and children.
None of those with #Ukraine, #Canada, #Mexico and #EU flags on their profile raising their voice condemning this outrageous crime.
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The sheikh wandered around the city with a lamp
I'm tired of all the devils and the death, and seeking one human
They said it cannot be found, we have searched, As we said before
That which cannot be found I desire
Rumi
دی شیخ با چراغ همی گشت گرد شهر
کز دیو و دد ملولم و انسانم آرزوست
گفتند یافت می نشود جسته ایم ما گفت
آن که یافت می نشود آنم آرزوست
#poetry #Rumi #Gaza #Inhumanity #Death #politics #Israel #Genocide #WarCrime
@palestine@lemmy.ml @palestine@a.gup.pe @israel @iran
Why do we have to keep telling you dipshits this insane logic doesn't work?
If the democratic party is willing to cast aside progress (being against genocide) in the name of perfect (funding and supporting Israels genocide), you'll never make it to the presidency.
Why is the responsibility on random voters, vs people who are actually in power and have the means to change policy with the knowledge that the policy is negatively harming their electoral chances? Why is the "electability" argument not applicable to stopping genocide as a reason to criticise democrats, versus, say, insisting we can't have healthcare because people love insurance companies too much as a defence of why Democrats don't support medicare for all?
Why do we justify or criticise some policies by appealing to their perceived/assumed popularity, whilst appealing to the responsibility of voters to simply accept whatever is insisted upon them in others?
Maybe if people like you engaged your fucking brain on questions like this, you might come up with some answers that, however uncomfortable they are for you right now, might make you stop defending genocide as a means to divert responsibility from those in power to those who politicians are meant to be appealing to in order to win an election.
I’ll be generous and say you’ve got about 300 million other Americans you need to convince of this… most simply don’t give a shit about Palestine or any other external conflicts. You’re raging at the wrong people.
If we could magically make the bad guys go away, we would. But the sensible population in America is very small and numbers are dwindling.
So we try to go with the best we’ve got, which didn’t happen this time around. I wish things were different.
Show me where I defended genocide. If you're going to come in here in bad faith and a shitty attitude, at minimum be correct.
Here, right here, where you go on about how much better it would be if it was the Democrats committing genocide.
You could not have picked a more ironic comment to come hunt me down in. You either can't read or you're not willing to discuss this honestly. I don't care which one it is at this point to be frank, you're being a twat and you're never ever going to persuade someone by acting that way. Since you're obviously not trying to persuade me if anything, what is the benefit of lashing out at me? Where are you going to with it when it's done?
Even when given direct evidence, your genocide supporting fascist ass just lies, lies, lies. You are as low as a Nazi, your death will be celebrated.
Does it feel good yet? Are you a better person for this?
I will cheer as your country burns, the entire world will. Like the Nazis in 1940, you're all smug and gleefully mocking your victims, thinking you've won, but we will outlast you, and spit on your graves.
So just to be clear. I made a comment saying it would have been better to curb fascism/ pain and suffering as much as possible. Then you came in, didn't read what I said, called me a fascist and multiple times hoped for my death and the death of our our nation as a whole.
If I were a coward, I'd report you, but instead I'll do my best to make sure it stays up so people can see who you're proud to be.
This will be my last message/comment to you, I hope you figure out how to get along with people.
No, you made a comment saying the extermination of hundreds of thousands by insane fascists is not so bad so long as your team is doing it. You don't care about minimizeing suffering, you only care about shielding yourself and people like you from ever having to experience any of the suffering you gladly dish out to people like me.
You want to talk about harm minimisation? The destruction of the US would be harm minimisation. Just like the destruction of Nazi Germany.
You have no principles, just pure selfishness. That's why you get more upset about people being rude to you than about genocide.
I hope Trump sends you to the camps.
What do you think you're doing when you deflect focus and blame from those committing genocide to instead redirect the focus on how random individuals opposed to genocide are the real problem?
Just like climate change denial has explicit (it doesn't exist) and implicit (it won't be that bad, we can solve it with "innovation", markets for carbon credits, we need to maintain fossil fuel production for "national security"), there are explicit (there is no genocide in Palestine) and implicit (Biden was working tirelessly for a ceasefire, Kamala was good actually, It's Hamas fault) denial or defence of genocide.
Telling people it's the fault of those who literally spent months telling democrats to stop funding genocide and that this was going to cost them electorally, and not the people actually implementing the policy, and insisting we need to accept genocide when it's "our team" doing it is functional defence and support of genocide for the purpose of something so absurd and asinine as refusing to hold people with actual power responsible for what they are doing.
It is, funnily enough, in line with the transferral of blame from European antisemites to Arab countries and Palestine to excuse genocide. We have to support Israel and it's war against Palestinians because of what Europeans did to Jewish people. Palestinians are unfortunate casualties we just have to accept, and opposing that makes you an anti-semite, or in this case, a "purity tester" who refuses to accept a little thing like genocide between friends during an election, so really it's your fault when bad things happen for opposing them.
Yeah again, you're putting words in my mouth. If you want to follow this up with an example of me claiming what you're saying I claimed, I'd be happy to continue the conversation.
I don't need to put words in your mouth, it's fucking obvious. You literally did the same thing every other Democrat in denial is doing. Lashing out at people who oppose genocide as responsible for the genocide because you refuse to hold people in power to account. It's that simple.
It never occurs to you to suggest Democratic party leaders and operatives were the ones who decided defending genocide was a wholly necessary part of their election campaign. That every campaign repeatedly makes assumptions, estimations and judgements about what to support, what to defend, and what to ignore, criticise or back away from. They know all these things have trade offs with votes they may or may not get, and they decide accordingly. They decided genocide was not beyond them, was not important enough to drop, whilst campaigning with Liz Cheney was apparently vital to winning. They made that choice about how to speak to voters, and they got the voters for the campaign they ran in return. No one else made them do that, just like no one else made Chuck Schumer support a CR that gave away all of the Democrats leverage, nor made Newsom decide to pal around with fascists about how trans athletes are the most important problem in the country.
If you don't need to, don't do it.
I made a decision to vote for them as it was apparent to me it was the least damage route. Ive also been pretty vocal about not voting for them again, mostly because of this but also other factors. It doesn't look you're willing to have an actual discussion about it so I'm going to discontinue it.
You will not get far approaching people like this.
I'd love to hear what it was that made you decide you won't vote for Democrats again, given genocide wasn't enough.