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Fascism and neoliberalism is right-wing and market based. Again, terms are purposefully obfuscated and disingenuously misused, but fascism is about privatization and deregulation (Privatisierung, in the original Nazi). While technically some working class are part of reactionary movements like MAGA, it is disproportionately either the Lumpenproletariat or not working class but what Republicans pretend is the working class (reactionary small business owners, who are working class because of some cultural marker like wearing blue jeans and liking country music or hating woke). We live in a liberal, capitalist system. So socialism is almost always, by definition, left wing and pro-capitalist and pro-billionaire politics is almost always, by definition, right-wing.
When I talk about right wing on here and mention magats, I'm talking about extremely to the right. They are so far right, they found a new dimensional plane of existence right. Nazi's stole a lot of concepts that existed long before they did and corrupted them, including their symbol. The idea that capitalist concepts are the equivalent to nazi beliefs is way too far off base and that really muddies the waters. I would like to avoid Godwin's law for meaningful conversation.
Billionaires should have never existed and the people that were supposed to regulate the unchecked greed failed the public. All of these representatives and the people voting for them are absolutely the source in the billionaires' rise to power. Remove them from power and the billionaires don't get a free playground for their boredom. Red vs Blue (Right vs Left) is keeping the public fighting amongst themselves. Treat the source, not the symptoms.
No, Billionaires are always going to be a byproduct of capitalism. Saying that left vs right is inconsequential and just "fighting amongst themselves" is naturalizing and justifying billionaires. The left fights against billionaires and oligarchy while the right fight for them (even if they rhetorically hate "elites" like woke baristas).
You keep bringing this back to capitalism. It's greed. The answer is greed. Even in your communist paradise, greed ruins it. Even in a socialist utopia, greed will be there to remind you of the inherent evil that is ingrained in humanity. Focus on the greed and maybe you'll make more allies instead of blaming a social concept.
No, even if individuals will continue to have greed or bad traits, if you don't have a social system that allows accumulation of vast wealth or the use of the wealth to immediately control the labor and resources of society, you undermine the social detriment of these traits. This is why systems matter, it is what traits will be rewarded, and what is allowed to be indulged rather than resisted.
Since you have time to ponder philosophical ideals, why not come up with a new system that does what you describe and prevents, if not mitigate, tribal mentality? Bear in mind you've only been describing wealth distribution. You still have to decide if you want this system you come up with to exist under a variation of Democracy, a monarch, an oligarch, or something completely new that won't cripple your newly designed system of wealth distribution. Then you need to decide which "tribe" gets to run it without upsetting the other "tribes" . And here we are again getting the red tribe and the blue tribe to come to their senses and agree to something that doesn't screw the rest of us.
It is not merely wealth distribution, but the fact that in capitalism that wealth immediately translates to power over society and people's time in a more direct way than all previous systems. And sure, I am considering new systems, that is why I took exception to your framing of it not being "left vs. right". Nearly, by definition, Right wing is preserving a current society or regressing back to a previous system, Left wing is, by definition, about change and new systems. Left wing isn't necessarily being urban or having dyed hair or whatever conservatives try to obfuscate with. Being anti-elite is nearly always left wing and being pro-elite is nearly always right wing, right wingers try to obfuscate and channel that resentment with lies and bullshit. Like claiming a barista is an "elite" by having a bachelors degree and pronouns, despite making minimum wage, while a millionaire business owner is "working class" because he wears blue jeans and listens to country music in his pickup truck.
Let's just agree to disagree. It helps if you don't start with a negative in every response and we're going in circles.
Okay, I wont start with a negative. Left is anti-billionaire controlling all of society and right is pro-billionaire controlling society. So saying left vs. right is a false dichotomy is helping billionaires sabotage society.
I agree with your statement. However, the left also includes billionaires just like the right includes the working class. Left vs. Right helps billionaires survive by keeping the left and the right fighting and the focus off them. There are two pieces two this puzzle. Once these two sides amongst the "common people" stop fighting and agree that no billionaires should be in any control, I am willing to bet a change can be made in a positive direction, regardless if you believe in philosophical ideals. We can both agree that billionaires are bad for a society due to the concentration of accumulated wealth and the ability to shape social policy through money.