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[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

Very honestly - I've still not read the book entirely and I have started because I felt some feeling of guilt myself for being a Russian living outside Russia. I think that's actually exactly what Jaspers, along with his students (the book is basically a dialectic lecture written down with results of work of his class from one semester), was trying to figure out. So I am not the best person to lecture you about that.

From as far as I have read these distinctions are exactly what allow people to talk about guilt, responsibility, trauma, the past, etc, without judging everyone by the same standards. Like, a criminal is judged by the court who defines for a crime they committed. A politician who took part in ordering crimes will be judged by the victor of a war. A soldier (just like a secretary) will be judged in dialogue with others and by his conscience for their individual actions, even if they were following orders. And a normal person who looked away or didn't actively do their best to stop the atrocities that happen in the world, well, this person's metaphysical guilt can basically only be judged by a metaphysical instance itself, be it God or another undefined transcendence. Basically all of us bear the latter.

They are very distinct and do not have the same repercussions. It is without doubt that political leaders have a much different, much more facetted responsibility for crimes committed. And we should focus on that. But this does not clean the people who followed their orders from all guilt, and their responsibility and crimes (against humanity) will be judged, just in a different way.

Edit: I've added a better phrased summary in my original comment above, since I have realized that translating German political philosophy isn't my strength exactly.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan 1 points 3 days ago (3 children)

It's basically impossible not to be a PoS. Wish I was just not born now.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The idea is to consistently work toward being better than yesterday and making restitution, where possible, not where comfortable. It's not always going to be easy. It's called character development. If we've worked hard for a number of years being of bad character, it's generally going to take an equal or greater number of years of hard work and restitution to be of great character; but with diligence, I would say perhaps the number of exceptions would be greater than the general rule. It doesn't mean there will actually be external validation of it, though.

[–] WorldsDumbestMan 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's the thing. I will always owe something, and I'm always guilty of something just because I am alive.

I actually was so bothered by this, that I spent years trying to develop a system to get around it.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 2 points 2 days ago

Lol. I feel that to the core. We all do and all are. And I certainly did try to escape too. I think the main thing is doing our best to minimize any harm and maximize any service to our fellow living beings, understanding that everything is a living being.

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