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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Environmentalists back then succeeded in stopping Freon through the Montreal Protocol. They had major clout.

They absolutely are to blame. They don't get a free pass for destroying our climate while being hypocrites.

The coal and oil lobby also deserve blame, but they were not hypocrites.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Seriously, please try to break free from your brainwashing. Environmentalists wanted to stop nuclear power. They also wanted many other things. They wanted to stop coal and replace it by renewable energies. I am sure you know very well which of the two was way more important to them and which 'succeeded' in the end. Environmentalists did what they could, what they were allowed to influence. Yes, in hindsight the order was wrong, but not because they wanted it that way but because there was no chance at all for it going otherwise.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lol, I am old enough to have seen it with my own eyes.

And even today they are opposing nuclear.

With nuclear we wouldn't have never exceeded 1 degrees warming or 400 ppm CO2.

History will not be kind to the environmentalists.

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Does it feel good to be this ignorant? Makes me sad that those who oppose change dont even seem to realize its them.

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You're just projecting.

Me: in favour of all low carbon technologies that get us to net zero.

You and other environmentalists: opposed to the one technology that actually can do the heavy lifting

[–] tomi000@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Oh yes thank you so much for your 'superior' environmentalism, you are so smart

[–] alvvayson@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

You should learn the skill of introspection. Don't be smug about your ignorance.