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[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Cool, as long as they don't cut out anything.

Like this:

"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least among you, you did not do for me.'"

Or this:

"Jesus answered, 'If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.'"

Or this:

“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

Or this:

"Which of these three, do you think, proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell among the robbers?” He said, “The one who showed him mercy.” And Jesus said to him, “You go, and do likewise.”

[–] redfox@infosec.pub 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I actually appreciate these verses regardless of intentions, because I agree completely with the implied point.

In the new testament, God was only hard on the religious elite, who always missed the point. He cut everyone else a lot of slack.

The idea that government should hold citizens to the same standards as a religion they don't believe in seems insane, and also runs contrary to Jesus teaching or actual Christianity.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

In the new testament, God was only hard on the religious elite, who always missed the point.

Absolutely correct! The Pharisees where Jesus' perennial sparring partners on that front, and Jesus had very few kind words to say about them.

As far as not holding people to personal standards, that's explicitly in the Bible, too. Peter at the Council of Jerusalem, Acts 15:10 (talking to some Pharisees who infiltrated the Church, incidentally):

"Why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?"

And the "test God" language here is especially notable, because most of the times that shows up in the Bible, it's the Devil himself doing it. This language isn't ever used about Thomas's doubts. It's an expression of deep distrust in God's ability or goodness, particularly by people who should know better (or at least who would know better if they were who they claim to be); an identification that the person doing the testing is just doing it for personal gain, not for their own faith or edification; and an unwillingness to change their mind in the face of evidence.

Sound familiar?

People literally died in the New Testament for testing God like this. That's the game they're playing here. They're playing the parts of the Pharisees to a T.