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"He's not a citizen, so isn't entitled to due process" -- My brother in law
In which case, this is how anyone can be deported without due process:
"You're not a citizen, so you aren't entitled to due process"
"Yes I am"
"Huh, how are you going to correct me without due process? Have fun in forever prison! Goodbye!"
Ask them to prove they’re a citizen. Driver’s licenses don’t count. Being white doesn’t count (could be Russian).
How? The us citizens have no consistent and reliable way to do so.
A birth certificate does not guarantee citizenship as it could have been renounced, social security numbers are granted to temporary workers and immigrants, and passports are not mandatory or encouraged by government.
If you are a natural born citizen who was stopped by law enforcement walking down the street today how would you prove you are a citizen right then and there?
How would you be able to actually prove you are a citizen without discovery of government records in a court of law?
When applying for a passport in the US, you must provide a birth certificate that meets many qualifications, that brith certificate is then cross referenced and verified. If you don't have it you have to do a lengthy file request process, a cross referenced birth certificate is the only way you can prove you are a natural born citizen, and that can't be accomplished on the side of the street.
No, don't ask them. They get no chance to challenge your assertion at all. That's the point. That's what no due process gives you. That is what they are claiming is right and just and the law. The government says "trust us bro, this guy is an illegal alien terrorist and deserves this" and then they disappear you forever, no questions allowed to be asked. You go from arrested for absolutely anything at all to the gulag with nothing in between those two steps.
This idiot thinks that that couldn't apply to himself, to other citizens, to his parents, his spouse, his kids... he is wrong. If they do not give you even a second in court, there is absolutely nothing you or anyone else can do to stop it. It can happen to citizens. It will. Hell, it probably already has. The only thing that may be stopping it at the moment is the willingness by the administration to do so. The one that has openly, publically and repeatedly expressed that they absolutely want to and are willing to deport citizens to foreign forever prisons, as well. He thinks these are the guys that can be trusted to not target citizens. He is a fool.
That's partly my point; just getting them to realize how easy it is to make the assertion. Ideally, you'd make the claim to someone that's white/MAGA, just to get them to scoff at the statement and say "Sure, I'm a citizen! It says so right...hold on..."
If someone's psychotically self-protective and carries their passport in their back pocket, they can deflect the argument. If they can't produce it on the spot, start mockingly shouting for ICE. See how quickly they fall back on white privilege.
5th Amendment doesn't say "No citizen" it says "No person" is entitled to due process.
No person is entitled to due process. Got it. /s
Supreme Court 6-3 ruling
wait a second…
I'm going to assume yours is a typo, but here's the text-
"nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;".
So Biden could’ve just said “Trump is an illegal immigrant” and sent him to a death camp?
We missed our fuckin shot.
Yeah, Joe Biden had a lot of time to do whatever he wanted when the supreme court said the president can't break the law. Instead he decided to just do nothing.
As if that packed court would have allowed it.
Just remove members of the Supreme Court before they make their ruling. Not that hard.
Well that's just patently untrue.
Why don't you believe that their BIL said that?
Because he's too busy due processing CDs