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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by RatoGBM@lemmy.world to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world
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When I take my bike to school, there are those "School Crossing Guards." One of them guards a 2 line drive in.

This man uses his STOP sign on pedestrians. Here I am cycling, this guy holds his STOP sign up high so I am like "ok, I can go right across at full speed without breaking or slowing down." turns out no, what he actually meant was that all pedestrians (up to 5 people sometimes) should stop and the car should drive. 50% of the time in the car is a friend of his who stops in the middle of the crosswalk and starts chatting. I look and this and go like "my classes start in 10 minutes, so I am crossing." They both, he and his friend look at me like I am some self harm guy jumping under a car, and start shouting at me like why I am going when the STOP sign is up.

This is seriously getting out of hand.

PS: I drive my bike on the sidewalk.

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[–] jerkface@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Cyclists are more likely to die for each km of sidewalk ridden than each km of road.

[–] mondoman712@lemmy.ml 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm interested to see a source for that

[–] Pipoca@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Here's an 8 year old reddit thread with links to a bunch of studies: https://www.reddit.com/r/cycling/comments/3eosnz/compilation_of_cycling_safety_studies_with_focus/

Tldr: When you ride on a sidewalk, the risk of a driver hitting you at a driveway or intersection goes up substantially. That outweighs most of the other risks of being on the road itself in those studies.

Although it's also worth pointing out that context and road design matter too. Speeds, the number of trees and shrubs by the sidewalk, and urban streets vs suburban stroads matters a lot.

There's a reason that protected bike lanes aren't just a sidewalk.

[–] mondoman712@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

Cool thanks

[–] RatoGBM@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

  1. Source please.

  2. bicilists drive way faster on the roads, so this metric should be deaths per km/h. And there are a few more stistical biases that might be at play here.