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[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 66 points 10 months ago

The Israeli government is really happy to rope you and all other Jewish people outside of Israel along though. And too many unfortunately play that role happily.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

And too many unfortunately play that role happily.

See? This is what I mean. If I just announced that I was Jewish to someone like you, you'd make me justify it by denouncing Israel. I shouldn't have to do that. It should not be assumed that just because I'm a Jew, I support Israel. Frankly, that's a form of racism.

[-] qevlarr@lemmy.world 43 points 10 months ago

They're saying you should blame Israel for that, not random people trying to find out who's who

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

Why not blame both? Why should they be trying to find out who's who. If you found out someone was Turkish, would you immediately ask them if they supported Erdogan? If someone was Hungarian, would you try to find out if they supported Orban?

I don't know if you're an American, but how would you like it if, every time you met a non-American, you would have to announce that you don't support Trump because they're trying to "find out who's who?"

[-] AdlachGyfiawn@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 10 months ago

As an American, Trump is the first thing many of my European friends talk about

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[-] eltimablo@kbin.social 25 points 10 months ago

how would you like it if, every time you met a non-American, you would have to announce that you don’t support Trump because they’re trying to “find out who’s who?”

This is already the case.

[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Isn't that how it works anyway?

Person A: "I am a [whatever]"

Person B: "What do you think of [some thing about "whatever" I've recently seen on TV, and is possibly the only thing I know about it]?"

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

Yeah, except in the case of Jews, it's "prove you're not a Zionist." So many times in my life. So many times. I have to prove I'm not a bad person because of something I can't control and was born as.

[-] FatCrab@lemmy.one 12 points 10 months ago

This might be very idiosyncratic to how you engage with people or with whom. I've lived in the deep Midwest and in an east coast major city. My name is EXTREMELY jewish. I have literally never had to explain my position on Israel or zionism when introducing myself. If Israel comes up in conversation in one way or another? Sure, people have asked what my opinion is, as a Jewish person, on Israel or such and such events, but that's pretty reasonable and I don't think ever frontloaded with anything.

[-] CatWhoMustNotBeNamed@geddit.social 5 points 10 months ago

Yea, that's on the asswipe saying that. We get to meet them everywhere.

[-] jarfil@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

What can I tell you, other than to avoid the kind of people who take something about you, and turn it into an attack. Also don't bring up the topic yourself unless you want to defend it, and —however hard it is— try to "not attribute to malice, that which is simple ignorance".

There are also some rhetoric tricks you can use to return an attack, but you risk being perceived as a troublemaker.

[-] ytg@feddit.ch 16 points 10 months ago

The Israeli government doesn't even represent all Israelis, let alone all Jews. Does represent the vast majority unfortunately

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 6 points 10 months ago

I dont mean you personally, but organizations that claim to represent the jewish people in various countries. For instance the American Jewish Committee that claims Jews critisizing Israel would be antisemites and tries to have the UN comittees dissolved that adress the human rights situation in Palestine. Or a bit larger but slightly more moderate the World Jewish Congress, that wants "to enhance solidarity among Jewish communities throughout the world and, recognizing the centrality of the State of Israel to contemporary Jewish identity, to strengthen the bonds of Jewish communities and Jews in the Diaspora with Israel"

These organizations claim to represent Jewish people around the world and that they would be in favor of Israel and support Israel, especially in face of criticism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Jewish_Committee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Jewish_Congress

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Sure, and white supremacists claim to represent all white people. They don't and no one should assume that just because you're white, you're a white supremacist.

[-] tryptaminev@feddit.de 12 points 10 months ago

Which i never did. You cannot deny the reality, that many Jewish people and organizations want to tie all Jewish people to Israel. It is the predominant view in the larger organizations, that are often recognized as spokespeople for the Jewish community in the respective country, continent or world.

I also find it wrong, that Israel is claiming to be representative of the Jewish people as a whole and having a lot of organized support for it. The voices to the contrary need to organize and make themselves heard.

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