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Do you think AI is, or could become, conscious?

I think AI might one day emulate consciousness to a high level of accuracy, but that wouldn't mean it would actually be conscious.

This article mentions a Google engineer who "argued that AI chatbots could feel things and potentially suffer". But surely in order to "feel things" you would need a nervous system right? When you feel pain from touching something very hot, it's your nerves that are sending those pain signals to your brain... right?

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[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 month ago (12 children)

Consciousness requires contemplation of self. Which requires the ability to contemplate.

Current AIs function as mainly complex algorithms that are run when invoked. They are 100% not conscious any more than a^2^+b^2^=c^2^ is conscious. AI can simulate the words of a conscious being, but they don't come from any awareness of internal state, but are a result of the prompt (including injected data and instructions).

In the future, I'm sure an AI could be designed that spends time thinking about its own existence, but I'm not sure why anyone would pay for all the compute to think about things not directly requested.

[–] peanuts4life@lemmy.blahaj.zone -2 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Why can't complex algorithms be conscious? In fact, ai can be directed to reason about themselves, context can be made to be persistent, and we can measure activation parameters showing that they are doing so.

I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, but, "Consciousness requires contemplation of self. Which requires the ability to contemplate." Is subjective, and nearly any ai model, even rudimentary ones, are capable of insisting that they contemplate themselves.

[–] phdepressed@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And a kid can insist they don't need to pee until 5min after you leave a rest stop.

Insisting upon something doesn't make it true. Beyond the fact that LLMs often hallucinate and therefore can't be trusted at baseline, text in response can never be proof for an LLM. LLM framework is to regurgitate what exists in their training in ways that sound correct. It's why they can make up court cases or say a guy who investigated certain murderers is the murderer.

[–] peanuts4life@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 month ago

A child may hallucinate, lie, misunderstand, etc, but we wouldn't say the foundations of a complete adult are not there, and we wouldn't assess the child as not conscious. I'm not saying that LLMs are conscious because they say so (they can be made to say anything), but rather that it's difficult to be confident that humans possess some special spice of consciousness that LLMs do not, because we can also be convinced to say anything.

LLMs can reason (somewhat unreliably) with a fraction of a human brains compute power while running on hardware that was made for graphics processing. Maybe they are conscious, but only in some pathetically small way, which will only become evident when they scale up, like a child.

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