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[–] greybeard@lemmy.one 6 points 1 year ago (10 children)

There's nothing wrong with using technology in voting, it just has to be done in an open, verifiable way.

[–] megopie@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The problem is how difficult it is to ensure it is open and verifiable. Not to mention how much easier it is to scale up attacks on digital voting systems.

If I want to forge enough paper ballets to swing an election I’m going to need a few hundred people in on it, with a group that large, someone is going to squeal, or get caught doing something dumb and uncover the conspiracy, if I want to forge digital ballots, well, I just need one person with know how and the right exploit.

It is certainly possible to make a digital voting system that is immutable once the votes are submitted, it is nearly impossible to make one that ensures that the votes being submitted are legitimate.

It’s a lot of effort and increased risk to roll out an acceptable electronic voting system, it is much easier and safer to just keep using paper ballots.

[–] RandoCalrandian@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Believe it or not those are all solved problems

The largest blockers to implementing them for voting are no longer technological, they’re political

We can absolutely cryptographically verify your voting choice from your phone, and have you and everyone be able to verify when it changed, where, on what device, etc, while also preserving the anonymity of the voter.

(Edit: while also making it far easier to combat fraud by making elections trivial enough to go “ok, everyone go check and resubmit your choices!” And immediately validate the majority of the votes as valid, minus those who don’t have internet access who would still need to travel)

Problem is, there are a lot of very powerful organizations who would suddenly lose much of that power if voting were in any way convenient and accessible to everyone.

[–] _Z1useri@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

OK, cool now teach your family that calls their web browser "The internet" enough computer science to adequately understand and audit this proposed open system and convince themselves that their votes are counted in a fair, verifiable and secret manner. Also that the implementation does not have obvious side channels and what is actually running is built from the published source code.

Like, If I was part of some shady powerful elite I'd love a fully automated setup. Most people will not be able to check the system deeper than "phone displays green check mark" without an unreasonable time investment.

On the other hand, "room full of people opens box full of papers and counts them while verifying each other" is intuitive enough for almost anyone to grasp and gain confidence in.

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