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[–] dustyData@lemmy.world 167 points 1 week ago (62 children)

Let me expand, as I usually deal with surveys and population feedback. There's loud feedback, and there's statistically significant feedback.

People who want a headphone jack are very loud. They will interject this issue into every feedback opportunity given. They will mention it on the comment sections, forums, q&a sessions, answer their surveys accordingly, etc. That's all fine and their prerogative.

However, when you look at the statistics. They are unfortunately a very tiny minority of the entire population. They are not statistically significant for decision making. They don't have the volume to move sales significantly. This sucks, of course, and I personally wouldn't mind the return of headphone jacks, smaller phones and bigger batteries as a fair trade for thicker phones.

But unfortunately, the vast majority of the market is pre-occupied with other things. The phone screen is too small, the phone weights too much, the phone is too thick, I want to bring my phone to the pool without fear of it breaking, etc. They are not as passionate about it, not like the headphone people are, but they far outnumber them in several orders of magnitude. In the end, if the product doesn't sell, it won't matter how much it was worth to a single passionate person. It will sink the company if it doesn't have mass appeal. Making phones is already an extremely expensive endeavor.

[–] FG_3479@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (27 children)

You can get good Bluetooth earbuds for under $50 and a USB-C to AUX dongle for under $15.

The average person is fine with Bluetooth earbuds or an adapter, and audiophiles would not find the inbuilt DAC/amp on a phone to be adequate.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 week ago (19 children)

how do you charge the phone with a DAC plugged in?

[–] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Wirelessly.

Or you switch to your bluetooth buds during a wired charge.

I'm all for audio jacks, but have been using a phone without one for 4 years now, and there are so many options to not be incovenienced.

Also I don't use my audiophile headphones with the phone at all - DAC on it just isn't good enough to get most out of then, prefer to use them with my desktop PC amp only.

[–] __dev@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wirelessly.

FairPhone doesn't do wireless charging.

[–] 46_and_2@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Didn't know that, thanks.

It's kinda tough sell without wireless for such price, for me. Though I guess it's maybe a tough fit with their modular design ambitions, and corners have to be cut somewhere to keep their higher costs down.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

good luck charging my phone wirelessly! wireless charging is also very wasteful, and it does not support idle charging (powering the phone without wearing the battery), even if the phone otherwise does. doesn't it also take up a significant amount of that precious space inside the phone?

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