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This.
When switching to Android/iOS/ChromeOS/... people also aren't expected to "learn" that OS.
Of course! I'll just magically re-learn keyboard usage on Mac and how its file system is structured, all automatically on purchase, right?
Unless you are a power usage, the file system structure doesn't matter. You save your stuff into your user folder, done. If you need to install something, let the OS do it for you.
And "option" is just another word for "alt". Memorizing the three keyboard shortcuts normal people use (copy, cut, paste) is a wildly different level of "learning" than learning concepts like what a repository is and having to configure kernel parameters to get sleep mode to work reliably.
oh, do we have something to disagree on. First things first: many "fucks" ahead
that sleep mode that I rigorously disable the fuck off every time I re/install a system, right?
file system, even without power usage: I install a notepad-like app on Android (think Sublime), create a file with notes on some topic, and want to send it via email to someone. Oops, where the fuck did that file go?
keyboard is something I use daily, so now three (or more?) layers instead of two can be irritating. fair point would be that I never tried a Mac, so can't speak specifically about this case, but all those Ctrl+Alt+fuck-how-many-more-letters? shortcuts in some apps do drive me nuts (that extends to web apps too)
let's add to this pile: fucking Android settings. Even with me being a software dev, I usually just go to Settings and use text search to find whatever setting I need at the moment, because it never is anywhere I look for it
"people also aren’t expected to learn that OS" my ass. people are just expected to put up with whatever bullshit these OSes come with. Works for some, does not work for others - but do you really want to be among fools glorifying this attitude?
You are doing this like a power user. The correct way is to use the share button in your notepad app. No need to mess with files.
Again, power user. Most people don't use keyboard shortcuts at all, apart from maybe copy/paste, but even there I mostly see people right clicking and selecting copy or paste.
Again, power user. The search is exactly what you are supposed to use. The directory structure is mostly there for power users who aren't searching for one single setting but want to go through each setting of a category to potentially modify every single setting possible in regards to one topic.
What you are doing is taking your pre-learned ways from one OS (probably Windows or Linux) and trying to use another OS as if it was that first one, while ignoring the much more intuitive ways to handle that new OS.
Edit: That's also kinda understandable. If you are a power user, you can't be not a power user, and of course you want to apply the skills you learned for a different OS, even if they don't exactly work for the new OS. That's natural, but it's not a failing of the new OS.
No, the share button never shows anything useful to me, while also showing a lot of crap like three identical sharing icons for Instagram. What the fuck is the difference, I care not - just don't use the feature at all
First: and I never see people copy-pasting by mouse. So now then, power users must suffer, is that it? Second: so, anything more complicated than "scroll and watch" is now power usage? Niice. So now remind me, how Linux is such a monstrous hard-to-learn beast in this case?
Flash news: directory structure and settings UI are different things. Also, directories are for power users, so portable software (as in copy-this-directory-to-your-computer-and-run-this file) is for power users? Wow, I've been power user since Windows 98! So... do I need to suffer or is Linux such a complicated beast?
Exactly the point. Original poster (edit: another commenter, this is just one of the threads) just takes his learned ways, then looks at Linux where they don't work, and declares Linux is too hard because it needs to be learned. What a surprise, right?
I've seen plenty of user right click > select copy, go to a different program and do right click > select paste.
Hell, even I do that when the keyboard is laying too far away or button combos aren't getting through the remote connection.
Maybe try talking with regular users once in a while.
That guy is so far up his own rear, he can't even fathom that someone would be using a device in a different way than he is.
To be fair, his statement "I never see people copy-pasting by mouse" might be correct, but he probably could have left out the second half of the statement and it would still be correct.
Of course! That's what I have missed! Thanks, oh my teacher
You don't really get it.
You learned one platform to power user level, and now you think every other platform needs to be exactly identical or it is BAD BAD BAD.
Non-power-users never get so stuck in the dirt that they can't even find their way out. You press the share button and entirely give up because there's "too many icons" for you, and instead you go digging through the file system, because on Windows 95 that's what you'd do.
It's the same thing for all your complaints.
And here is where you are really wrong: Looking through a list of apps in the share menu to find the correct one is not comparable at all with having to read Arch Wiki articles to just get basic functionality like sleep/hibernate or GPU drivers working.
Or to put it differently: How much time does an average Android user spend with getting the GPU of their phone working?
Your whole argument is nothing but a tantrum.
Lol. No, you don't really get the very thing you pose to be teaching:
Same way they aren't expected to learn Linux, same way any switch requires finding out how things are done and what works for you. I have no problem navigating yet another environment, and your stance is just bullshit pretense that switching to Linux is somehow more problematic than switching to anything else
I will repeat my argument:
How much time does an average Android user spend troubleshooting their GPU driver?
And I will not answer, because have no wish to listen to your tantrums
No, but because answering this question would prove that learning a keyboard shortcut is not the same as learning how to use CLI, config files and debugging.
Boo-hoo, you dealt with something on Linux. Cry me a river
Well, actually no. I have more interesting things to do
Thank you for proving their point.
Pft. The point being "aaah, I had some difficulty, oooh, Linux haaard". What a reasonable way to look at things (sarcasm)