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[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 35 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (25 children)
  1. It is relevant that the USSR took a look at what the Nazis were doing and said, "All in brother, let's split Poland and shake hands in the middle," and only turned on them once the Nazis broke the alliance from their side.
  2. Is is hugely instructive to look at the differing responses of different levels and segments of "The West." US industry (and a lot of the press)? Sure let's genocide sounds good. Communist USSR leadership? Sure let's genocide sounds good (as mentioned). Most US people? Eh, who cares, it's not our problem. Faux-democratic racist US and British government? FUCK THAT LET'S MESS EM UP ARM THE BOMBERS. Hitler was genuinely very surprised that Britain and the US at the highest levels didn't want to be friends with him, because he bought the same kind of simplistic thinking that the .ml people do, that the US is capitalist and corrupt and all they care about is money and their own safety and they're basically fascist at heart. Sure, that's true of some segments. Not all of them, though, and there are some important ones and important situations that matter where it is not.
  3. In fairness to dessalines and semi-agreeing with part of his point here, one of those segments which is okay with fascism is low- and mid-level law enforcement. There were massive fascist plots in the US which were more or less ignored by the feds, causing nothing even resembling a red scare, while they were scrutinizing imaginary communists for any trace of rebellion and ignoring obvious actual plans for armed rebellion by American Nazis. "Prequel" by Rachel Maddow talks about it.
[–] muzzle@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago (4 children)

It is relevant that the USSR took a look at what the Nazis were doing and said, "All in brother, let's split Poland and shake hands in the middle," and only turned on them once the Nazis broke the alliance from their side

To be fair, the USSR tried to contact the allies for months, but in 1939 they were not interested.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The USSR successfully contacted the allies and negotiations were had - the problem is that the USSR offered the Allies the same terms they offered the Nazis - that Eastern Europe would be delivered to them on a plate, and that the sovereign states of Eastern Europe would have no say about it.

The Soviets regarded the Western Allies saying that they didn't have the authority to sign over the sovereignty of nations they didn't control as a great offense, and sought out the Nazis instead.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Don't be colonial challenge oh shit they actually did it, whoa

Do you have a place I can read more about this? I am interested.

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