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Interesting to see ABC seem to be prompting the questions around more democratic changes as a solution to the LGA issues.
I don't hate the idea, compulsory voting seems to be a key difference in our health as a democracy in the world. But I tend to agree with Tony Simpson's comment on it,
I think the reliance on one system of democratic governance, ie party adversarial politics, is likely to lead to under-serving of easily under-attended sections of the community or debate areas, say, for instance housing policy.
^Btw, I say that in full knowledge that LGA councillors often already have strong party links.^
I think we should be looking at different ways of democratic delivery. I think Citizens Assemblies are an interesting option. Randomly selected groups of community members in controlled information supported environments.
Doing this at the local level, because all politics are in the end local. They avoid the Party system, while not removing it; would hopefully drive higher community engagement and connections; peer groups, such as juries, have historically made better and fairer decisions than single specialists sitting in judgement. (I mean, this last point is the whole point of why countries like Australia think democracy is the way to go, so it seems fairly aligned).; theres evidence from Europe coming in where these have been employed to great success in certain circunstances; also demotes regulatory and political capture by vested interests as as big a threat.
As a result it could break through the othering and politicisation of seemingly intransigent issues that are endlessly debated with little to no progress made in one direction or the other.
I 100% agree. If I were all powerful god emperor I would have local councils selected by a combination of sortition and election checked by regular public meetings. But within the limited Overton window of liberal democracy I'd settle for compulsory voting as a baby step in the right direction.
Oh, thats interesting, so the normal electoral process, but a randomised but then self selecting group of candidates.
I guess the independence of each new member coming in is the perceived strength here.
But i'm not sure 'independence of each member' would be a strength in this format. Because the erstwhile independent members, since they're, at first, randomly chosen community members, would likely begin forming impromptu and easily led blocks/factions within the parliament once there.
Essentially ending up with a weak Party system that is as easily corruptible as the current situation, but less effective as a voting and policy force as the current situation.
Or have you got a different strength/benefit to this system in mind?
More likely the other way a round, elect 15 members for 5 positions for example, every candidate has been endorsed in an election but no amount of party influence, marketing, or corruption can ever guarantee a result.
Hold on, what?
In your example do you mean,
Or,
If its the second one, thats interesting as fuck. I think I'd still hold my reservations about ongoing groups leading to factional groupings(essentially a shit form of a Party), but its really a rethink of the system elevating the utility of randomness.
Sorry for not being clear.
We have 5 positions to fill, we elect 15 people. From those 15 we select 5 at random.
This way everyone who eds up in a position wants it and has been elected but no amount of influence or money can guarantee a certain result
Oh yeah, that makes much more sense.
Yeah, as i say relying on the utility of randomness is so undervalued especially to cut through the power dynamics that exist and are built into society over time.
I like that method of election. I'm fairly sure LGA's have a fair bit of latitude as to how their elections work so i think an experiment with this is technically possible in WA.