What system do you think they are referring to as an anarchist? Anarchism is simply opposition to hierarchies that allow control over others, such as the control capitalists have over workers by owning the means of production and political forces. The system that anarchists advance in place of that can take an unlimited number of forms.

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anarchism is simply opposition to hierarchies that allow control over others, such as the control capitalists have over workers

Or the control the hierarchical entity (state) must have over a populous to stop thievery and violence. Even in a perfectly idealized world, anarchism only just barely gets to work, teetering on the brink of collapse.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

We have a state now though, has thievery and violence been stopped? How many thousands are in poverty, how many are killed in global wars waged in the name of profits? There are states where theft and murder are extremely rare, and states where it is common. What is the difference between the conditions where it is common and uncommon? Is a top-down control and manipulation the only way to reduce violence?

Anarchism works all the time. It's more than a political structure, it's an idea about how to organize relations between people, and there already are many groups that are active that function on anarchist principles.

Any group that collects itself in the modern world as anarchist, like anarchist groups in the Spanish Civil War, are heavily repressed by state forces. Capitalist states work together to discourage anarchist ideals even more so than communism because of the possibility it has for threatening traditional power structures.

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

the possibility it has for threatening traditional power structures.

You mean the possibility of completely collapsing civilization as a whole.

We have a state now though, has thievery and violence been stopped?

Fallacious reasoning, and pretty obvious at that. I give you a cup of water - some water has been poisoned by heavy metals. If you drink the cup of water, will you get metal poisoning? The only intellectually honest answer is: the question is flawed. The same way it doesn't follow that
Some water is poisoned ⇏ All water is poisoned
It also doesn't follow that
The suppression of violence begets control ⇏ All control suppresses violence.

This is further proven by your following statement

What is the difference between the conditions where it is common and uncommon?

Which opposes your own argumentation.

[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You said a state must have control to stop thievery and murder, but I've never heard of a state that successfully stopped those things, is what I was getting at. The point about conditions where violence is common or less common is that there are more primary factors to violence than whether or not someone will be punished by state forces for that violence. There are more effective ways to combat violence and theft than a police state.

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Sure – state healthcare, state infrastructure, state base income all help.