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Man I’m tired of hearing this
We would all like actual public transport in America
However, we have WAY BIGGER PROBLEMS in America than our means of transit and we are totally unable to address those. Priorities man
That is just empirically untrue. Almost to the point of delusion. Transportation is a HUGE problem.
On the contrary, I can hardly think of anything else that has as much negative impact on so many aspects of society.
What seems to be impossible is to locate businesses, their employees, and stores geographically close together. I have lots of friends who drive over an hour each way for work. I used to drive 30 minutes to my job. Now my wife and i work from home and for the first time in my life we have only one car. But there's no way we could go without a car. Family lives 120 miles away. Groceries are 10 miles, and other necessities are 26 miles. The US was laid out to require personal vehicles. It's too spread out to have a functioning mass transit system that's convenient to use.
Using the such a system in the US, even if convenient, has risks. During the peak of COVID, many riders refused to wear masks. There's no security, no hygiene or conduct standards for riders (try to sit next to a crazy homeless person or someone higher than a kite for 45 minutes), and when you try to get help from law enforcement, nobody shows up.
All of that is fixable with the right policies
End zoning restrictions which requires all single family homes in a given area and allow mixed zoning. Minneapolis and the surrounding suburbs are doing this right now and there are apartments going up with the ground floor being shops, grocery stores, etc. Minneapolis is the first US city to rein in inflation below 2% because housing hasn't been as much of an issue. They started funding higher density housing back in 2018 and it is paying off tremendously right now.
One you build a few apartment buildings in the same area you can support bussing to the surrounding area, and most people can get around to where they need to for work.
Ideally you get light rail, but nimbyism is a huge pain that is hard to overcome. Still though, just getting to that point reduces the number of trips you need especially if you build bike trails to make short distance commuting even easier without a car.
If Mussolini got the trains to run on time, why shouldn’t we?
Not to mention, to really achieve what they're suggesting, most of the US would need to be completely razed and built back up from scratch. However, these comments always phrase it as if it's just a simple matter of opinion whether you live in a car-centric culture or not.
I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that improving public transportation requires cities to be “completely razed”. What a ridiculous straw person. Incremental change is not only possible, it’s already happening.
Is that not what you referenced when you said "moving away from car-centric urban design and culture?" How does that happen without rebuilding downtown areas and suburbs? Sending a few more busses out to suburbia isn't going to change anything.
I shouldn’t have to say this, but no, “moving away from” does not mean “completely raze”. 🙄
So what does it mean? Adding a few more busses to suburbia like I said? Why don't you explain what you mean rather than wasting so much time telling others that they're not understanding you correctly?
Why don’t you ask me first instead of writing your first ridiculous bad faith comment? I have no obligation to take time and effort to respond carefully to that kind of intellectual dishonesty. “What, just add buses like I said?” shows an unwillingness to actually learn anything.
If you’re actually curious and asking in good faith, here’s another more reasonable way to ask your question: Is there anything reasonable that can be done to incrementally improve public transportation? The answer is obviously yes.
These aren’t my opinion. This is what many urban planning experts propose, and the empirical evidence say they work. Don’t tell me it’s impossible because it’s already happening!
“But this wouldn’t work in my personal neighborhood!”
OK. It doesn’t have to work everywhere for things to improve. We will always need some cars, but we can at least move away from car centric urban planning.