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You can’t get rid of it, you can only hide it: Microsoft imposes controversial Windows Backup on users::Like it or not, the Windows Backup app installed in Windows 10 and Windows 11 is here to stay, with Microsoft calling it a "system component" that can't be

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[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 83 points 9 months ago (7 children)

coming soon: Monthly subscription to use windows with the justification that it uses an online service in order to work

[–] spudwart@spudwart.com 22 points 9 months ago

"Embrace Extend Extinguish"

[–] georgette@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I can't wait for the eventual warning pop-ups and emails, warning me that my onedrive is almost full (70%)

[–] pirrrrrrrr@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

You can just say no to the tool and keep using whatever local backup you have.

[–] Zetta@mander.xyz 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Honestly I hope, would be a big boom for Linux which I already use

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 12 points 9 months ago

This year is the year of Linux, just like every year before it.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)
[–] sock@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

what do you mean by this

do u think a cloud pc (with constant server costs) shouldnt be a monthly fee?

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I think this is likely the "new only Windows option" in the not so distant future. I think it shouldn't exist.

[–] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (3 children)

And what will be the host from which you will run Cloud PC? Linux, macOS?

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What sick moronic idiot would want a cloud pc that's accessible via... a pc

[–] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Their primary use is enterprise not private consumers. Think of virtualized OS accessible over internet that you can manage/protect and provide for example to some random consultant. Or just provide more powerful PC on low end HW.

It's costly though and not sure it ever gained traction because there always were alternatives like Citrix Desktops.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Maybe there's a use case, but I'm anti-cloud and always will be. I struggle to think of a situation I couldn't do better with in-house (or even air gapped) VMs of my own.

Anyone who watches 365 uptime knows that Microsoft's cloud is a fragile laughing stock. They use a Twitter account because their own status portal is so laughably trash and unreliable. If you don't believe me I don't blame you. Here it is.

The day I trust any cloud platform (Especially Microsoft) is the day I promise to jump off a cliff.

[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

Thank you. Exactly. The term "cloud" is just code for "someone else's computer" and as you say, there's very little that cannot be done without it. And once you entrust your data to someone else's hardware, all you really have are assurances and probabilities that what you expect will happen with it becomes what actually happens with it. No guarantees.

And you pay for all this, monthly, until the end of time.

I don't blame anyone that wants to go that route, I use a freebie bit of cloud for phone photos myself, but anything of more import, nah. More "cloud" for everyone else, I suppose, because they can have my share.

[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

I have a confident guess about what Microsoft runs theirs on.. it ain't Windows.

[–] 0ddysseus@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I would say windows IoT would be the most likely to be prepackaged with new systems, since it'll likely be a rolling changeover.

I'd expect that within 5 years that pretty much all home and business PCs running windows will be thin clients

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_

[–] OfficerBribe@lemm.ee 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Can't imagine it being the case, thin clients have existed for a very long time and Cloud PC is nothing revolutionary just an additional offering from Microsoft.

Not to mention private consumers will not pay subscription for OS that in long run is a lot more expensive and worse HW that they probably already have.

[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

ugh ew thin clients that probably will work even worse

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Still $129 for the initial license key, too

[–] hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

It's been a thing for years already for enterprises

[–] BlueBockser@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Probably an unpopular opinion, but I don't see a problem with subscriptions for commercial software. Fixing bugs and security issues after release is an ongoing effort that costs money, so a one-time purchase isn't really economically viable in the long run. I honestly wouldn't feel comfortable using unmaintained software that might contain known but unfixed vulnerabilities.

[–] Nindelofocho@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

As someone who advises on and implements software at work that would be sorta ok if these companies charging several thousand a year would actually fix bugs and provide proper support. Zendesk is a pretty big display of this: feature requests lay dormant in their support pages, the only way you can get support is through a chat where the rep will point you to an article you already read most of the time, updates that ever obfuscates settings into a dizzying amount of menus in the admin panel, and so on. All for a minimum of $55 a month per seat if you want email and calling. The issue is costs are sky high for practically no value

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Have you checked how much money Microsoft have recently? Their current model doesn't appear to be a problem for them.

[–] BlueBockser@programming.dev 0 points 9 months ago

You're arguing a completely different point. Windows isn't Microsoft's only product by a long shot, so I don't see how their money (whatever you mean by that, specifically) is the answer here. Also, every few years there's a new Windows version which again costs money - almost like a subscription with bigger installments at longer intervals.