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[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Ya know, it's not always democrats versus republicans....

Until everyone stops voting for this bullshit two-party system, it's just going to keep being dems and repubs pointing fingers at each other.

(This- is in no way me providing any endorsement, or affection for whatever candidate is in question. I know nothing about the person).

[–] morgan_423@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This isn't going to happen until the majority of the country implements ranked choice voting, so that third party voting isn't just throwing your vote away. As long as we are in the current system, third party voting is pointless.

Focus your efforts on getting ranked choice adopted. It is the key that will actually unlock the ability to vote for third parties.

[–] Psephomancy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ranked Choice Voting doesn't make third parties viable, either. It uses the same counting method as our current system (tally up people's first-choice preferences) and therefore suffers from all the same problems, like vote-splitting, spoiler effect, and center-squeeze effect. You can't fix the problems of FPTP by adding more rounds of FPTP. You need to allow voters to express opinions about all of the candidates and then actually count all of those opinions.

If you want third parties to be viable, you want real reforms like STAR Voting, Condorcet RCV, or Approval Voting.

[–] xtremeownage@lemmyonline.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

throwing your vote away

Until everyone stops thinking that way- the same cycle will repeat every 4 years.

Democrats and republicans blaming the person who came into office before them, for all of the countries problems, followed by a lot of election promises they will never keep.

[–] DiachronicShear@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's pretty much an objective fact that voting third-party (especially in a swing state), is indeed "throwing your vote away". It has been well studied and well documented.

[–] Jaysyn@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago

Now three guesses which party is trying to make RCV illegal & already have in Florida.

[–] Jon-H558@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In the current fptp system it has to be. Until ranked choice for president and proportional representation for the house then usually the left will shatter. The republic strongest point is they all vote under one big group even if they disagree internally. All splitting the vote will do is empower that "team"

[–] Psephomancy@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Until ranked choice for president

That wouldn't change anything. RCV still produces a polarized two-party system.