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You can't compare these 2 conflicts at all.
Why? Because the west supports the occupied in one and the occupier in the other? Don't forget the west expected Ukraine to be an occupied state with a gorilla insurgency within a few weeks at the start of the conflict.
Edit: because I am getting the expected hate. The Palestinians didn't start out as Hamas. The extremism of Hamas was born out of the lack of action from former moderates. People will always become more extreme when they are met with a lack of action. That goes for the left and the right.
So ask yourself if someone came to your house and told you to leave how angry would you be? If you don't understand this look up the actions of the Israeli settlements.
Because Ukraine is not committing brutal crimes, not lobbing rockets randomly, hoping to kill anyone, civilian or not. Not hoping to eradicate their enemy (that is the stated goal of Hamas). Ukraine government is not in power because of violence, but because they were voted in. Hamas is in power only because they have weapons and other palestinians don't (given to them by other extremist Muslims, who want to see Jews die).
So let me say it again, this conflict is not fucking comparable.
Check your sources bias. Control phrase is "cluster munitions, Donetsk". Russia is faaaar from being free of guilt, but, while they have capability to do this to ALL Ukrainian cities, I don't see any footage of landmines all over Kiyv and Lviv. Another check is to listen to chants(e.g. москаляку на гіляку, смерть русні, etc) of each side. This effectively flips your argument upside down.
Definitely not comparable, though, at least that we can agree.
But Israel will do exactly that. If you want to condemn the killing of innocent people. You need to do it to both sides.
https://www.jpost.com/Middle-East/UNHRC-IDF-may-have-committed-war-crimes-in-quelling-Gaza-border-protests-582043
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/05/26/world/middleeast/gaza-israel-children.html
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children
I am not pro Israel. You are just assuming that for no fuckig reason.
Israel is committing what could be easily called genocide in Gaza. Moving settlers in, pushing palestinians away from their homes, killing their kids, their fathers. Doing who knows what else.
I am against Zionist Israel and against Hamas.
I am for a state for both Jews and Palestinians.
You can have that position.
Unlike the Ukranian conflict, both of the fighting sides are in the wrong. There should be no fighting to begin with. Only innocents suffer.
Yup don't let them gaslight you buddy. This is how they do it.
Well then just ask yourself is a meme about the conflicts themselves or about the west's condemnation of one powers imperialism while supporting the imperialism of another?
Did I make the meme? Am I the west or something? For all you know, I could not even be in the global west.
Not once have I supported the imperialism, I called what's Israel is doing a genocide for crying out loud.
Get a fucking reality check buddy.
Why are you so angry? I am not or ever attacking you. I never said you made the meme or where you live. Sorry for presenting you with an opinion that differs from yours.
Not angry, simply annoyed. Mostly because you keep assuming shit, preaching stuff that's incredibly well known, especially in leftist circles and conflating 2 completely separate conflicts together as if they have any similarities.
Unlike you, I did think about the meme, and it makes absolutely no sense in reality we live in.
I never assumed anything about you and I definitely didn't swear at you.
objectively false
I know what you mean and I also find western support of Israel appalling, but the meme is literally about the lack of support to Hamas, which makes sense given how they also like to randomly kill civilians.
How does the meme have anything to do with Hamas?
Because timing probably
The meme has total of four words. How are you arriving at any conclusion on what the meme is about? It's not even proper spelling according to Google translate.