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[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'd be okay with your rationalisation if you followed similar logic for "blackness." Do you? Is it okay for me to attack blackness, and call it dirty and bad?

[–] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I would follow a similar logic for blackness if blackness had been created by black slavers who were using it to define themselves as better than everyone else and to justify slavery of nonblack people. However, that isn't what happened. Black people didn't choose to be black. They were kidnapped onto boats and told they were black. They were isolated from their native cultures and shoved into plantations with strangers from halfway across Africa who had no language, culture, or religion in common. They sure as shit didn't want to be black, they wanted to go back to the way things were before. But blackness is the only thing their children grew up knowing.

Is blackness fake? Yes. Is identifying as black a declaration of supremacy? No.

[–] JasSmith@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago

Since you've admitted you accept discrimination on the basis of race, that makes you, quite literally, a racist. I'm sure you think your racism is justified and righteous and good, but all racists think that. You're not special. You're just racist.

Your recount of history is wild. There were absolutely black slaves, but did you know that there have been millions of white slaves too? Slave markets flourished on the Barbary Coast of North Africa, in what is modern-day Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, and western Libya, between the 15th and middle of the 19th century. The North African slave markets traded in European slaves which were acquired by Barbary pirates in slave raids on ships and by raids on coastal towns from Italy to Spain, Portugal, France, England, the Netherlands, and as far afield as the Turkish Abductions in Iceland. Men, women, and children were captured to such a devastating extent that vast numbers of sea coast towns were abandoned. According to Robert Davis, between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa and Ottoman Empire between the 15th and 19th centuries.

My own Irish ancestors were also the victims of genocide in the Potato Famine. No one has a hereditary claim on suffering. If you go far enough back in anyone's past you'll find cruelty and subjugation, no matter their skin colour. That you'd try to make it a competition to justify your racism is, I think, quite awful.

[–] Nima@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

I'm starting to think your ban was justified. you're absolutely obsessed with race.

[–] letsgocrazy@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is all utter nonsense though.

The reality is for some reason people they are considered "white" and some people are considered "black".

It's because of the colour of their skin if you skin didn't notice.

Why are people like you just falling over yourselves to invent more facile nonsense?

[–] HardlightCereal@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

It's not because of the colour of their skin. Black people don't literally have black skin, white people don't literally have white skin, Indians and Latines aren't black, and Asians aren't white. If you look at the average black person and see black skin, literally black skin, then your perceptions have been distorted by racism.