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This man says hard work while looking like he wouldn’t last 3 days without all the technology that the natives used to survive without. Bruh, we know what hard work is & how to do it, we just don’t give much of a fuck about doing it on your behalf.
So long as you’re still calling them “aboriginals” instead of I dunno like “The First Canadians,” then you’re making it crystal clear that you don’t care about them & you’re just mad that they aren’t letting you use, abuse, or manipulate them.
Just to be clear it is "The First Canadians" now?
i've been raised as a Gen Z to learn "first nations", though aboriginal (from the root word aborigine) also means the exact same thing, so i personally don't comprehend how someone can find offense in using that word.
maybe they are used to seeing aboriginals to describe aussi natives? still, it essentially means "first of the region", or in other words, "first of the nation".
Yeah, it's not offensive, but technically "First Nations" is a subgroup; Inuit and Métis being the other two.
How can the Métis be "first" anything? They're the product of intermarriage between native Canadians and European traders (mostly the French).
Yes, that's why First Nations refers to the folks directly decended from Native Canadians (culturally anyway), and not the Métis/Inuit.
Ad. Yes, the Inuit are Native Canadian but they prefer Inuit, and they're very culturally distinct. (Not that the array of first nations cultures aren't)
Ah. I'd misunderstood what you meant. I thought you were including the Métis among the First Nations. My bad.
I just made that up but maybe? lol I dunno
This quote is from 2008.. that's 15 years ago. Back then calling them aboriginals was a politically correct term. This "first nation"/"first Canadian" trend is incredibly recent and it still isn't widely accepted.
He has never held a job outside politics so that is the reason he looks as though he has never done a days work.
Is indigenous frowned upon too? I don't want to be rude, but I can't keep up.
indigenous, aboriginal, and aborigine, mean exactly the same thing. anyone getting offended at any of these word usages probably doesn't know the definiton.
Aboriginal should be same as indigenous, but "aborigine" is a racist term (due to historical usage) for the original peoples of Australia. I've never heard of it being used for anyone outside Australia.
The etymology or aboriginal is basically "comes from away"; kind of Eurocentric. Indigenous means "comes from within a place" etymologically so while it is kind of semantic it's obvious which one is the better choice. Many indigenous people however prefer 'Indian' because it's how First Nations people are referred to in the Indian Act.
"Aborigine" is not "comes from away". I don't know where you're getting your etymology from, but it comes from the Latin "ab origine" which means "from the source" or, in context, you know, THE ORIGINALS. (First used, incidentally, to refer to the people living in what is now Italy before the Romans took it all over.)
Aboriginal is "ab origio", literally "from/since the origin/beginning". Already the Romans used it in the sense of "there from the very beginning".
Indigenious is "indu gignere", "begot within". The "place" part is implicit. More of a "native" thing as in "natively born American" but the meaning shifted from the original Latin.
Practically, nowadays, they're synonymous. Over here we use "autochthon", literally "self earth/soil". Also used in geology and biology. The constitution speaks about "national minorities and ethnic groups", going by the last recent arrivals 600 years of living here as an ethnic group suffices for autochthone minority status. Though in our case there's no settler-colonials which of course changes the equation.
Uh, no, many of us prefer to be called by the nation we belong to. Some of the younger ones would be really offended at being called Indian, especially by white people. Indigenous, First Nations, and native are fine - better than Indian at least.