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In what world are music festivals and kibbutzim a military facility?
You're surprised that a dance rave that was held 10 minutes outside the border of a concentration camp and active war zone got caught in the cross fire?
It was held in Re'im kibbutz, which is right next to the the Re'im Israeli military base.
And pretty much indistinguishable. All those ravers, how could anyone differentiate them from military personnel???
your logic doesn’t make sense to anyone who is not caught in ideological hatred.
No wait, I’m calling it lies. Not logic. Lies.
The onus of responsibility lies on Israeli’s leadership and all that support the kinds of rulings and actions that have blurred the lines between combatant and non combatant.
Compulsory military service needs to go. Willing or unwilling, every citizen is forced into this conflict because they are required by law to do what their leadership asks them to, even if it means continuing the cycle of oppression. As we have seen with the Nuremberg trials, "Just following orders" is not an excuse.
There have also been numerous cases of the Israeli military protecting settlers in plains clothes as they commit terrorist acts against the indigenous populations. Doing so allows Israel to further its goal while officially creating plausible deniability for numerous humans rights violations.
These two factors alone heavily blur the lines between combatant and noncombatant, guilty and innocent, and fascist and non-fascist. It is very possible that this was done by design to force every Israeli citizen to have a stake in the conflict regardless of whether they want to. Israel knows Hamas does not have the luxury nor the technology to sift through potential targets to identify the legitimate ones. In a sense, the Zionist leadership is using the entirety of its population as a human-shield, and this placement of a civilian festivity near a military facility in a hot zone was a strategic one, such that when the legitimate target is attacked, others are caught in the cross-fire, and Israel can then use this to justify collective punishment against innocent civilians.
Just as the reactionary Republicans who accuse the democrats of all sorts of foul play that’s in their playbook, this whole comment looks to me like projection.
Using the population as shields, by hiding weapons and militants in hospitals and schools is what the Palestinian combatants have done for ~years~ decades. Etc
You have a few points, the Israeli government has long been gone across any reasonable state of mind.
But the whole mindset you describe did not originate in Israel. This whole situation is waaay less one sided than you make it appear. And it changed significantly last weekend, initiated with a terror attack of unprecedented scale by the Hamas.