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Human rights experts warn against European crackdown on climate protesters
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 12 Oct 2023
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If they had targeted oil executives, I would be considerably more sympathetic. Eat the rich. Tax them into submission. Hell, you can throw them all in jail or a woodchipper, and I won't be shedding any tears.
But they didn't target oil executives. They deliberately interfered with the human rights of the general public, specifically, the right to travel. That's one of the most important rights we have. The freedom to travel underpins virtually all other freedoms, rights and privileges.
As it is, their sentences seem rather light to me. If "impeding travel" is nothing more than a minor inconvenience, then a suitable consequence would be to "impede" their "travel" for a time commensurate with the time they wasted. Lock them up. Except that the person-hours they wasted greatly exceeds the remainder of their expected lifespan. Wasting that much time is a rather serious issue, whether it belongs to an individual, or a large group.
3 years is a graciously lenient consequence for the degree of harm these gentlemen deliberately inflicted on the general public.
Surely, if they went out and harassed all of the individuals they impeded, one at a time instead of concurrently, they would deserve and receive a much sterner cumulative sentence than merely 3 years imprisonment. They are getting a massive discount on the amount of attention they stole.
How would you target an oil executive with the resources available to the group who blocked that bridge?
The willingness of your activists to do certain things is a resource, so don't freely assume here.
Maybe pull their little stunt somewhere in the vicinity of an oil executive? Maybe sabotage an oil well, or a pipeline? Maybe drive a bulldozer through their head office or their own home. I don't particularly care how they do it, so long as they target the right people for harassment. The general public is not that.
See, all these things are harder, riskier, more violent, more punished. You freely assumed what you probably don't have available.
It is easier for a soldier to fight a child, pregnant woman, or elderly civilian in an enemy's country than it is to fight an enemy soldier. Fighting the enemy combatant will always be harder, riskier, more violent, and more punished than fighting the non-combatant. But fuck you with a rusty bayonet if you think the difficulty of fighting the soldier justifies targeting the civilian.
I utterly reject the relevance of your argument. Frankly, I am disgusted and deeply offended by your "It's too hard" argument.
If you insist on subscribing to that argument, then I would respond that "making it harder, riskier, more violent, and more punished" for you is justified. If your justification for attacking the public is that "it's easier", the public is also justified in responding with any level of force necessary to convince you it's not easier.
Breathe. What a violent comment!
Comparing nonviolent protestors to armed soldiers fighting vulnerable people is wild. With all due respect, I think you lost perspective.
I'm not interested in continuing this conversation, also because I feel you're projecting violent things into my words.
No. I compared "oil executives" to enemy combatants. I compared oil executives to armed soldiers. Do not put words in my mouth.
Your argument is that "protesters" are justified in deliberately targeting the weak specifically because they are weak. That doesn't make protesters comparable to armed soldiers. That makes these "protesters" comparable to terrorists or war criminals.
Oh, is it "too hard" to even talk with me? Gotta go find someone "weaker" to harass? God, your argument is infuriating. Rarely do I see someone taking pride in their own cowardice.
Only criminals accept that their targets for hostility are illegitimate, but try to rationalize their hostile behavior anyway. Your argument here is vile and disgusting. I'm trying to remember that it is you making it, and not any of these protesters. I have to assume that you are misrepresenting them.