or even both if you want to play safe?
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Careful who you're calling out, I'm not sure where you're from but in the US the "pro-lifers" are on the extreme right with no concern over who is killed by their policies (as long as it's not white men), while those on the left are the only ones I've ever heard who even give a damn about what's happening in Palestine. Of course the US isn't exactly known for its fair responses, hell the last time we were attacked we didn't even retaliate against the right country.
Why is everyone suddenly bringing up peoples' views on abortion, in a debate about Israel and Palestine? I care about innocent lives, that's the most accurate way to describe what "side" I'm on, and here people are saying "where is your Palestinian flag, good guys" and "look at the downvoters supporting terrorism" like people trying to pressure everyone to join a side. My pro-choice views have nothing to do with that (and neither do peoples' race, it makes it sound personal to say "it's all white people").
My response was specifically to OP's statement about pro-life people, and I was simply pointing out how things are viewed where I am from which might be vastly different from OP's part of the world. If you want to take issue with that, then yes... in the US the people who call themselves "pro-life" are very much working against the health of the mothers and literally passing laws that are killing people. And every one of those laws are designed to take away the rights of women. Funny how when it involves a woman's body they call it a "life", but when one of those idiots jerks off it's simply a clump of cells. And if you don't believe this is not also a racial issue, then you haven't been paying attention to how lop-sided these laws have been towards oppressing people of color. Take note that despite being an older white male myself, I still take great issue with the way this subject has been treated recently, and I feel the same way about how Israel has been oppressing Palestine, and the way Russia is attempting to oppress Ukraine.
And no, none of this has any business being discussed under the current thread, but you had to make an issue of it instead of reading it for what it was -- simply an attempt to clarify for OP how their wording might be taken differently depending on where they are, and an explanation of what that wording means here in the US.
I know, I don't exactly agree with either of you on that (in this case in that pro-lifers and pro-choicers are inherently a certain wing... or that any one stance discussed makes someone a certain wing, wasn't sure how different the angles you two were coming from were). Or that any of the people of any stance are dominantly of each other stance. I agree on the point of different people seeing an issue differently, unfortunately this might explain why Russia (and North Korea) is backing Palestine right now.