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A 12-year-old girl who suffered a lung collapse and spent four days in an induced coma has told the BBC that children should never start vaping.

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[–] Rottcodd@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago (36 children)

So seriously - who's peddling this anti-vaping propaganda and what's their goal?

Vaping is easily the most effective way to stop smoking that's ever existed. Certainly we don't want kids to start doing it, and kids are the basis for much of the propaganda, but it's never just restricted to trying to make it so kids don't start. All of the propaganda efforts are directed toward stamping out vaping entirely, and that means that millions of people whose lives could literally be saved by switching from smoking to vaping will be denied that opportunity.

Why? Whose interests are served by denying adult smokers access to the most effective smoking cessation product ever?

[–] galmuth@feddit.uk 13 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Who's trying to stamp out vaping entirely? All I'm reading into this article is just "Kids shouldn't start vaping, especially if they have asthma."

The suggested solutions I've seen in the news recently are things like keep the vaping displays away from kids, stop kid-friendly flavours, and make packaging less enticing - all things that they currently do for cigarettes, and all perfectly reasonable IMO.

No-one I've seen is proposing taking them away from adults.

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Fuck this stop kid friendly flavor shit. I'm 40. I prefer sour flavors like apple/peach or red bull. I swear to fuck I will start smoking again to spite you paternalistic motherfuckers.

[–] galmuth@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Christ, chill with the venom. Fair enough, you like those flavours, but there are ways to avoid marketing them as desirable to children.

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I buy juice not disposables so it's not really marketed for kids, but congress, the FDA and the tobacco firms that seem to own both won't really discriminate

[–] galmuth@feddit.uk 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Ahh, you're American - the UK system, which this article is referring to, will be different. There is talk of banning disposables for environmental reasons and ease of kids getting hold of them, but the government over here are currently looking into the best options.

The government certainly won't want to ban vapes entirely, as they help people quit smoking, so they take pressure off the health service.

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah. Sorry. Not sure I noticed I traipsed into the motherland.

For context, our television advertising ban happened because Philip Morris and RJ Reynolds stalemated on market share. Both had to pay for adverts because they'd lose share if they stopped, but if it's banned they can save millions and nobody else can easily edge into their market.

Flavored cigarette bans were similar. Upstarts started eating into their profits, so it became necessary to ban their products.

Recently our FDA has started clamping down on places that mix juice. You either have to pay for some sort of certification or just buy mass produced juice.

It's ridiculous.

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