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[โ€“] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 120 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Fourthly, scanning for known, thus old material does not help identify and rescue victims, or prevent child sexual abuse. It will actually make safeguarding victims more difficult by pushing criminals to secure, decentralised communication channels which are impossible to intercept even with a warrant.

This point is huge, and on its own explains why half baked compromises are worthless.

The criminals will use banned chat apps, while innocent people get their messages read.

[โ€“] taladar@feddit.de 98 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The reason they don't care about that is that the whole thing isn't about protecting children at all but about surveillance of the vast majority of people.

[โ€“] MentalEdge@ani.social 38 points 1 year ago

This. There are already plans on expanding what the surveillance is used for, as soon as it is possible to begin with.

"Think of the children" is just the trick they're using to get their foot in the door. It being utterly ineffective in doing what they claim it'll do, is irrelevant.

[โ€“] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well that's the point, catching CSAM is just a very convenient excuse. Once that's through, it will just be a matter of extending it to terrorism. Then you can declare anyone a terrorist and bam you have free reign to monitor anyone you want.

[โ€“] taladar@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Or you could just accuse them of the really dangerous crimes, like copyright violations or insulting politicians.

[โ€“] BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That requires some kind of proof or bureaucratic fuckery. If you take any ecologist group for instance, you just have to pin a terrorist label on them, and bam, now you can spy on them legally. They're trying to do it in France right now.

[โ€“] taladar@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

Germany too. They are trying to label the climate change protests by the "Letzte Generation" (Last generation) group as organized crime and terrorism.

Your first mistake was assuming it's an attempt in good faith.