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submitted 8 months ago by Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de to c/europe@feddit.de

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/6837465

Even though right-wing politicians decry immigration (because it's a populist viewpoint), they secretly or openly want more. Countries without low immigration will lag economically compared to countries with high immigration such as the US.

Original link: https://www.ft.com/content/de913edd-71d1-4a36-b897-091125596952

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

I think a better solution would be to fund pensions out of a sovereign wealth fund that's not necessarily tied to youth productivity.

Stops youngins from feeling like they're living in a geroncleptocracy, while also not tossing grandma out to live in the underpass

[-] frostbiker@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

What if we created one pension fund each year? Every person born that year contributes into that fund during their working years and withdraw from it in retirement. It seems like a solution that is fair to everybody, avoiding inter-generational wealth transfers.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago

Well then it's basically losing money against inflation

[-] KmlSlmk64@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago

I don't think that funds are kept in money. IIRC They are mostly kept in other means, so that they are at least somewhat sustainable against inflation. But that doesn't mean that the above idea is good, or doesn't have other flaws.

[-] Spzi@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago

But that doesn’t mean that the above idea is good, or doesn’t have other flaws.

If you have more thoughts on this, could you spell them out?

[-] KmlSlmk64@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

I mean, you generally don't want to tie up a lot of money, each year by year, meaning that you would have a lot of frozen capital. And capitalism (which also has some flaws, but right now we are using this system) depends on the flow of money/capital. Also managing these funds would make a lot of work / administration, because someone would have to manage what goes in and out and also in what form the funds to store in. And at the point of storing money from younger people, that is not being spent, whilst using money from older people, why not just have less money stored and use the money from the younger generation for the older ones. And you go full circle to the idea that we wanted to solve. Each system has its benefits and flaws, some of which are greater, which outweigh other, smaller ones. Sometimes the solution can be something completely different.

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