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My dude, sapient is not medical terminology. There's a scale of consciousness utilized in medicine that goes from conscious and coherent all the way down to Coma.
Just because you are moving doesn't mean you are coherent enough to understand what's happening or even able to recognize that you are in pain.
Your brain is partitioned in a way where most of the physiology required to sustain life are located lower near the spinal cord. Ive had to treat more than my fair share of suicide attempts where the patient basically just destroys their frontal lobes. They are alive and able to move in some cases, but there's no pain.
You are absolutely full of shit. In the context of our discussion, how can you prove to me that without a question of a doubt all of your patients did not feel pain?
Ain't no discussion when you immediately tell someone else they're full of shit and ask them to prove that your assertion is wrong, without even providing proof for your assertion in the first place.
I mean, technically a grenade isn't meant to specifically kill, it's supposed to throw shrapnel in an area that can hit multiple enemies or enemies under cover. It's more of a utility explosive. If it so happens to hit the right spots to kill someone, that's awesome but the reason they are used is because they are so good at hitting a lot of shit in an area, The enemy will have a harder time fighting back full of shrapnel. Having a better engineered grenade can help it's probability of killing, but again, a grenade is just throwing shrapnel in a radius and hoping the people in the area are in the right path of the shrapnel to kill. The closer you are to the detonation site the more shrapnel you get hit with, so the more lethal it gets. To a point, if I remember correctly in us grenades the shrapnel doesn't go evenly around the grenade and the top where the pin is fairly free of shrapnel, so if you were directly overtop of it and it was standing straight up, your legs would be fucked, but your butthole wouldn't be entirely full of hot metal. So when you throw it and it lands on its side there's a chance that it wouldn't hit you depending on how far away you are and how close you are to the safe zone
My father, was hit by a grenade in Iraq so this happens to be something I know a little bit about. He was a combat engineer and survived the explosion, so I heard all about military explosives growing up.
But the Russian military uses f1 grenades, they are less powerful than what the US uses, but still very very deadly, coming in at like 270,000 joules.
I don't think he's arguing about that, I think he's arguing against the parasympathetic nervous system (lol), but there's too much vitriol to get out anything rational.
He was arguing both though if I recall correctly, he said that Russian grenades weren't able to kill, and were designed to maim, so that guy was alive and in terrible pain. When in reality he was probably only alive for a few seconds after the second one and was probably unconscious for it.
He was arguing that since Russian grenades were stun grenades, that the whole thing was super painful and he felt every minute of it. But the guy was trying to tell him that once he sustained that level of injury, the brain shuts off.
I guess I'd look back on exactly what he was saying if he didn't scrub his comments.
Lol, this is medicine we're talking about....not law. I can say with confidence that the patients I was specifying did not feel pain as it is currently defined by medicine.
That being said, our current medical definition of pain is widely debated, and thought to be too dependent on our limited understanding of consciousness.
Now, the reason I can assert that my patient felt no pain is pretty simple. Those patients did not possess the required physiology to be conscious, and unconscious people do not feel pain.
So what exactly leads you to believe I am "absolutely full of shit"? What experience do you have in medicine again?
I think they know nothing of the nervous system, let alone the PNS. One of those people that lack the knowledge base, but with a mixture of intelligence and poor mental health will make shit up and tell themselves they're right while vehemently putting down anyone that objects.
I hope you are able to find some growth from this interaction.