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Top Apple analyst says MacBook demand has fallen 'significantly'::A top Apple analyst said Wednesday that shipments for MacBook computers will decline around 30% year over year.

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[–] Gorphus@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Or until Apple decides that, for some reason, your M2 can’t run their newest operating system and eventually apps don’t support your operating system anymore.

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

So like 7-10 years?

[–] stolid_agnostic@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago

You mean in 5-7 years when those devices are completely outdated?

[–] xhci@lemmy.ml 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can you name a major commercial OS that doesn’t do this?

My BSD and Linux installs will run on anything, but last I checked that wasn’t true of Windows or especially Android.

(Okay, you can technically install Windows on old machines, but is so incredibly bloated now that it’s impractical)

[–] Pasta4u@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Well the surface pro 2013 launched with windows 8 amd you camnupgrade for free to windows 10 that ends support in 2025. So that is 12 years of support. You cam modify the windows 11 installer to install on a surface pro also

[–] HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

You cam modify the windows 11 installer to install on a surface pro also

You can technically install MacOS on old, unsupported Macs too. I've never done it personally but I know people who've been running the latest software on long-unsupported hardware with no issues for years.

[–] averagedrunk@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My MacBook Pro is 10 next year. It still does MacBook stuff last time I checked.

[–] xhci@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I had to search for how far back support goes for Sonoma, and it was surprisingly short.

I think Apple is intentionally shortening the support cycle right now to get everyone on ARM chips for a variety of reasons. They come with neural cores and are incredibly fast to their predecessors.

It’s tough to change architectures, and I think we’re frustratingly caught in the growing pains right now.

[–] DJDarren@thelemmy.club 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Official Sonoma support might be reasonably short, but if you've got a 2008 MacBook Pro, have I got some good news for you...

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[–] Pasta4u@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Apple has done this multiple times. Power oc to Intel, 32 bit Intel support to 64bit Intel support to arm. They actually don't care and just know their loyal base will buy up new hardware ro deal woth the changes

[–] HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I’m confused. Are you upset that they’re switching to better chip architectures as they become available? Because you can still run Intel Mac apps with Rosetta and some of them actually run better now than they did on Intel hardware.

You’re complaining about something that’s just a byproduct of technological progress.

[–] HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

This is going to blow your mind, but your computer doesn't explode when it stops getting updates. You can keep using it as long as the tools you use don't specifically require a new OS. I know, it's crazy, but it's true.

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This is going to blow your mind but from a security perspective this is the dumbest thing you can do

[–] HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Older Macs often get extra security updates even after they stop getting new OS updates. But if you’re the type of person to use a decade-old machine, I suspect that security isn’t your top concern.

Also, you can pretty easily get new versions of MacOS running on unsupported hardware, so it’s a non-issue no matter how you look at it.

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's great but the initial statement was very ignorant

[–] HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Not really, but you’re welcome to your opinion I guess.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That was true for windows machines until Win 11 started forcing the TPM requirement

[–] mplewis@lemmy.globe.pub 4 points 11 months ago

Windows should generally be treated like malware for this sort of reason

[–] dukatos@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But you already can't install MS 365 on Big Sur.

[–] HeavyDogFeet@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

And? Not everyone uses MS 365.