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Quick shout-out to Grayjay: An app to watch videos on any platform - reducing the power of individual services. The Software is open-source and can be found here: https://gitlab.futo.org/videostreaming/grayjay

I will test this out for myself and hope someone here finds this useful.

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[โ€“] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

where did you find that gitlab link? it isn't linked from the project website; looking at the website i would assume it isn't free software.

edit: oh, i see it isn't actually free software after all, it is under source 'source visible' proprietary license. ๐Ÿฅฑ

[โ€“] Piers@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It isn't free however they are very clear that they make no effort to make you pay for it. IE the app works whether you pay or not and they aren't planning to change that. It's not free in the same way WinRAR isn't free. Here's the announcement video from Louis Rossman where he talks about that. https://youtu.be/5DePDzfyWkw?si=KuNumtHUrtW_kHSC

[โ€“] PipedLinkBot@feddit.rocks 3 points 1 year ago

Here is an alternative Piped link(s):

https://piped.video/5DePDzfyWkw?si=KuNumtHUrtW_kHSC

Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.

I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.

[โ€“] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

yes, as i said, it is not free software.

it is also not open source software.

hey @ToxicWaste@lemm.ee can you please edit your post to remove the inaccurate statement "The Software is open-source"? you could say it is "source-visible software" or some other ๐Ÿคก term, but "open source" has a definition and this software's license aint it.

[โ€“] ToxicWaste@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have found three comments from you, where you insert yourself as an expert on what Open Source is/not is. Although you do link to some sources, you do so without arguing your point. IMO this is not a constructive way of communication. Since I believe your perspective is purist but overall not too helpful, I will go through the trouble an actually argue the point:

Your problem is following sentence published by the OSI: "The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the software as a component of an aggregate software distribution containing programs from several different sources." Which FUTO does - they won't allow you to put ads on top of their software and distribute it. But I hope that you would agree with me that GNU GPL is an Open Source License. However, they do have a copyleft which practically makes selling software impossible. If you use a library which uses the GPL, you have to make your sources available - which makes selling a compiled version a difficult task...

If we look at Wikipedia, we see following sentence: "Generally, open source refers to a computer program in which the source code is available to the general public for use or modification from its original design.", Grayjay fulfils this. Wikipedia continues: "{...}. Depending on the license terms, others may then download, modify, and publish their version {...}", you are allowed to download and modify Grayjay. They do not allow you to commercially distribute your modifications, which is a license term.

Lets look at a big OSS company. Red Hat writes: "An open source development model is the process used by an open source community project to develop open source software. The software is then released under an open source license, so anyone can view or modify the source code." These criteria are fulfilled by the FUTO TEMPORARY LICENSE (Last updated 7 June 2023). Red Hat does not mention the right to redistribute anywhere I could find it.

To those who actually read up to this point: I hope you find this helpful to form your own opinion based on your own research.

[โ€“] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

where you insert yourself as an expert on what Open Source is/not is

this is not really a controversial topic; assuming you were just confused, I linked to the definition and (in another comment you replied to) to the list of governments and other entities which all agree about it. i again encourage you to read those links as it sounds like you haven't.

since you've declined to remove the inaccurate statement "The Software is open-source" from your post here in !privacy@lemmy.ml I am removing the post. (since I am an admin rather than a mod of the community, the moderation action will only federate to instances running the latest version of lemmy, which your instance isn't, but fyi it should be removed from lemmy.ml and any other instances running updated software.)

fwiw i think this is the first time i've used my admin privileges to remove something in a discussion i participated in myself, which tbh feels a little weird, but since this is a clear case of someone declining to remove a post making an objectively false claim, i'm going to.