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[–] WIthoutFurtherDelay@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Why are we assuming that these things are all valuable according to anarchists? I think they are valuable myself, but this criticism doesn’t work

[–] cucumovirus@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 1 year ago (6 children)

We are not arguing about what is subjectively valuable according to some people. These things are materially necessary for our society to function. It doesn't matter what someone says is important or not. What matters is the material reality of the situation.

[–] WIthoutFurtherDelay@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Space travel is not objectively essential to the functioning of civilization lol

[–] cucumovirus@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 year ago

You're replying to a comment about a lot more than just space travel. Those things are absolutely necessary to our civilization. They weren't necessary for all of history because we didn't have them but now we do. We know that there is no abstract civilization in general, each one exists in its historical context. Our civilization today needs all those things. If we just stopped doing them, huge numbers of people would suffer or die due to food and medicine shortages and all sorts of other related issues.

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