This also applies to any other ambitious projects like intercontinental railway, nuclear power plant, hydropower plant, a cargo ship, a big airplane, roads, airports and most of technical civilization actually. How anarchism can be taken seriously? Oh, there is also a cancer version of it, ancap

[–] WIthoutFurtherDelay@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Why are we assuming that these things are all valuable according to anarchists? I think they are valuable myself, but this criticism doesn’t work

[–] cucumovirus@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We are not arguing about what is subjectively valuable according to some people. These things are materially necessary for our society to function. It doesn't matter what someone says is important or not. What matters is the material reality of the situation.

[–] WIthoutFurtherDelay@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Space travel is not objectively essential to the functioning of civilization lol

[–] cucumovirus@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

You're replying to a comment about a lot more than just space travel. Those things are absolutely necessary to our civilization. They weren't necessary for all of history because we didn't have them but now we do. We know that there is no abstract civilization in general, each one exists in its historical context. Our civilization today needs all those things. If we just stopped doing them, huge numbers of people would suffer or die due to food and medicine shortages and all sorts of other related issues.

[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

It says space programs not space travel. Without them, life as we know it changes radically and for the worse.

[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Neither are the vast majority of technology over human history.

So why do we have them?

[–] WIthoutFurtherDelay@lemmygrad.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Because we just kinda wanted to do it? It isn’t essential to quality of life, either. I mean, i love the idea of it, but it’s not an objective good to such a degree

[–] lemat_87@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 2 years ago

And why we want them? To not die in some fucking cave. Some inventions are not just stupid whims. I agree that pickaps or private jets are such whims, bot not a power plant or a train. If anarchists thinks that this is not necessary, they are more stupid than I thought.