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Former student here. I am very disappointed in the system for which you're supporting. While I enjoyed most homework assignments, I especially enjoyed the P/F assignments (you either pass for turning it in, or fail for not turning it in). The P/F assignment were still graded for accuracy, though, so I was able to learn from them, too, but without the stress about negatively affecting my grade if I didn't understand something. This is what I mean when I say 'free point' homework assignments, but I can only vouch for myself. During schooling, I used homework sites like Chegg (but not Chegg, because they suck) to check my answers, never as cheating. You saying that you're disappointed in OP without truly understanding how they use these sites, is extremely disappointing coming from a (college?) professor. I expect better from both sides of the fence.
Being disappointed was a joke. Why would I be disappointed in someone I don't know? Per the pass fail system you describe, that is essentially what I do. Classework is graded with daily written feedback on a 0-10 point scale with 5 points coming from attempting the assignment. I aim for a 7 because a binary scale does not represent the quality of the students' work. In the end, it reduces yo the same binary scale regardless, but the important thing is that they receive the level of feedback they deserve. My grading policy does not effect their grades. Most of my students earn A's.
Oh and I know fully well how these sites work. I have to contact them frequently for violation of copyright.
If that truly was a joke, it was in poor taste and very unclear.
Your method of 0-10 is not "essentially" the same as a pass/fail system, as it's not a pass/fail grading. By definition it's a graded system. Homework assignments (not projects, mind you) shouldn't be quality-graded, because their use is supposed to be as learning aids and not as student quality measurements. Please don't misunderstand, I appreciate the effort you're putting through for your students. However, claiming that most of them make As, to me, is irrelevant. What I truly cared about in school was whether I learned. The grade was secondary (though it usually followed), which is why the pass/fail homework assignments were so helpful--they allowed me to learn without the worry of a grade. Granted, we did have more quizzes in those classes, but if you did the homework with the goal of learning, you were ready for the quizzes.
Say there are 10 assignments graded 0-10 with 5 points for the attempt and the potential for an additional 5 points. Now, the minimum points required for an A is 50. This means you simply nerd to do the assignment. The "grading" is giving numerical feedback on the quality of work relative to the expectation of where students should be.
I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying I don't care about grades, and care more about the learning. The P/F (0/100) scale has absolutely no worry on a grade. Just do it, and get 100. This can (and will), obviously, be abused by some students. But those who care, won't abuse. Again, I'm not saying you're wrong.