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Alcohol, cigars and then... cocaine, LSD, crack? Are you honestly making this comparison?
Could you look someone in the eye and tell that cocaine and tobacco are the same thing?
The fact that you put LSD between cocaine and crack made me literally lol.
You've clearly lived a very sheltered life and have been fed all of your information on drugs from entertainment media.
Maye LSD is "less bad" than the others, fine. I'm not a drug connoisseur.
That was obvious when you posted cocaine then crack.
It showed that not only are you not a connoisseur, but your understanding of drugs is most likely mainstream fiction and copaganda regurgitated as news.
Crack is just cocaine that has been processed so you can smoke it instead of snorting or injecting it.
Disclaimer: don’t Fuck around with cocaine, it dumps your dopamine and eventually makes it impossible to feel happiness outside of continued use, and the use diminishes in its dopamine dumps
Edit: I didn’t even read the comment two up, they had the same assessment, lol
Thank you for agreeing with my anti-drug agenda. You are correct in this sentence, we must ban cocaine immediately and persecute anyone involved in its production and distribution.
I wish you a long life, dear friend, even though I know you'll die young.
Did you just threaten that user or are you accusing them of abusing illicit substances because they possess medical knowledge of the effects of cocaine?
Locking people in cages hasn’t fixed the problem yet
Even if I thought you were gonna go home and kill yourself tonight, I wouldn’t feel the compulsive need to rub it in your face.
I think you should probably work that all out with a therapist. It sounds like you probably have some CPTSD from growing up in an unstable environment due to parental drug abuse.
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Do you consider medical professionals to be 'drug connoisseurs'?
More like drug sommeliers if we are going to utilize the analogy to its fullest /s
Our drug war is a fucking farce. It is, and always has been, a fascist culture war.
Now we're talking, I like to see numbers and data. You're clearly different from the others here.
Now go a biiit further and check usage statistics for alcohol, cocaine and opioids. Is it the same number of people using all three?
No thanks. But you go right ahead.
Now, now, I wonder how many dozens of millions of people are using cocaine each year.
Cocaine is not particularly dangerous. Oddly enough opioids are safe if, and only if, the user knows the specific opioid being used and it’s actual purity and doesn’t use improper techniques to use it. It doesn’t usually kill or cause major medical issues if the dosage and purity are known and clean needles are used. Alcohol is a medical issue at basically any dosage. There is no safe way to consume it. Tobacco is in the same category: all use is harmful, smoking is excessively harmful.
The point is we tolerate obviously harmful drugs, some of us refuse to admit they are drugs, or put them in some category where they should not be considered when discussing drug abuse. Why do people do this? As I said, it seems very much to be a cultural issue. Alcohol and tobacco, by far our most lethal drug abuse problems, are accepted as part of ‘our’ culture. By ‘our’ I mean the dominant European Christian culture- white people. The ‘bad’ drugs are all associated with ‘outsiders’, people not part of the dominant culture. Quite obviously also this cultural categorization is racist bullshit. White people are just as likely to be using the ‘bad’ drugs as non white people. So it’s an ideological campaign to justify what has become a corrupt government/capitalist ‘complex’. The failed drug war pumps billions of dollars into the private sector. There is no motivation to stop what is a quite successful system as far as the recipients of all that loot are concerned.
But certainly just simply adopting a harm reduction approach instead of continuing the idiocy of criminalization cannot be taken seriously. After all we cannot compare cigars to LSD.
Stopped reading here.
Your mind is closed. Here is an interesting study on circulatory issues related to cocaine, tobacco, and combined usage. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199402173300702
Note that cocaine alone appeared to be less harmful than tobacco, for the focus of the study: Coronary-Artery Vasoconstriction
But you know better.
"drugs are actually healthy"
Do you agree with the statement above?
Doctors do, otherwise they wouldn't be using them.
Doctors gave my SO's mom Fentanyl. What she has is pure, clean, dosed properly, and basically harmless.
~Theophrastus von Hohenheim the father of pharmacological medicine
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you have no medical background whatsoever, because being a medical professional wouldn't allow you to have such a black and white thought process on such a nuanced topic as whether a drug was healthy or not. Vitamins are considered healthy, but if you take too much vitamin A you're brain is gonna swell up and take on water, your bones are gonna hurt, your nails will become brittle and break, etc. If you don't have enough you will go night blind, have trouble conceiving, get terrible acne, and be unable to heal wounds.
I am not saying crack or other drugs are harmless, but man, have you ever seen an alcohol addict? It completely destroys your body, mind and family (which you like to mention when it comes to other drugs). You can absolutely compare it to crack.
I see, so you're arguing we must ban both alcohol and drugs? You bring a hard bargain, I'm interested in the connotations of this.
This has already been tried and didn‘t work. People consumed it anyway (surprise).
Why have laws then?
Can you tell me how it affects or even hurts anyone if someone is smoking weed at home? There is literally no point in making it illegal. What you can do is making it illegal to do certain things while under the influence of drugs, for example driving a car. And guess what, exactly this happens with alcohol too. But making the drug itself illegal is imo a bad idea.
We're progressing, we're already talking about limitations and regulations and control in general!
This has been productive for both of us, keep up walking the good path, friend.
The drug market currently is completely unregulated. It‘s easier for a teenager to buy weed, than alcohol. If we make it legal, we can actually regulate it, like alcohol.
This exact mentality, applied to guns, led to the school shooting situation in the US.
Also
Shall we legalize groping? Legalize it (it's unavoidable) and then regulate it (applies rules to how long you can touch, where you can touch, etc)
No, missing regulation led to the school shooting situation in the US. Just legalizing won‘t solve any issues, without any proper regulations.
Consuming drugs is your choice, it only affects your body, life and mind. Sexual assault and drugs can not even be remotely compared.
It affects everyone nearby, many children have developed respiratory issues due to their parent's usage of tobacco, drugs make it even worse, you lose control of yourself and ruins the lives of everyone nearby.
Where are you from, by the way? You certainly don't seem to be from a country that suffers from drug addicts, I live in Brazil.
Brazil has one of the most strict anti drug laws in the world, isn’t that correct?
I am from Germany. We‘ll legalize weed soon.
And yes, drug usage certainly can affect other people, sorry about the confusion. My point was primarily about normal drug usage, not addicts. Criminalizing it certainly doesn‘t seem to help, every single country that tried this completely failed. On the other hand, countries that do the exact opposite seem to be pretty successful.
Edit: You just seem to ignore facts. It works in other countries. The war on drugs failed.
You don't have the lawless Bolivia next to you, producing tons of weed every day. There lies the difference.
Also you can't imagine the sheer amount of Bolivians who have emigrated here, there are at least 7 or 10 houses full of Bolivians in my street. We might as well just unite with them and establish the "Republic of Brazil and Bolivia" at this point.
No, but we have the Netherlands, where a lot of weed comes from (illegally but also some legally).
Now I'm jealous. I wish we could trade places.
I understand. I am not denying any of your problems, I just don‘t think that criminalizing it is a solution. It didn’t work in the past and it also won‘t work in the future.
That's a very mature point of view. Thank you for not being like the others in this thread. We need more individuals who are capable of thought and who express those thoughts.
Because people in power need excuses to hit people they don't like without having to pay weregild for it. That's it, that's the entire purpose of laws. The whole "protecting society" theory is a convenient smokescreen that we've all bought into through generations upon generations of Stockholm syndrome and the fact that we all also want to hit people and be justified in doing so from time to time.