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[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 5 points 10 months ago (13 children)

The one other one is a democracy, despite being a flawed one. The other, an unabashedly totalitarian state. And before any CCP apologists comments and nevermind what the domestic Chinese think, ask South Korea, Japan and South East Asia what they think of the Chinese Communist Party claiming the entirety of South China Sea and sending armed merchant vessels and the Chinese navy bullying other Asian fishermen in the region. Not to excuse American imperialism, but it's clear which is the better option for many.

[–] clanginator@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (7 children)

Why don't we ask South America, the Middle East, and Vietnam what they think about the US?

but it’s clear which is the better option for many

.... American tax dollars are at this moment funding the genocide of Palestinians.

EDIT to add: I should clarify I'm no CCP apologist, nor do I uplift China as an example of what we should strive for. But I also really get tired of seeing America put on a pedestal. America was built on genocide, slavery, and exploitation, I don't see how it should ever be an example of how to do things better, BECAUSE that line of reasoning ("at least we're better than them") has been used to justify many of the horrors of our history.

By using that bit of propaganda, you're contributing to things like Americans looking the other way/enabling - for the past 75 years - genocide. It's the same "they're savages" shit that was used to justify literally the most savage acts against Native Americans.

Our democracy also isn't actual democracy. By definition, a democracy must represent the will of the people. Ours does not. It is already a failed democracy, and has been for my entire life. America also produces more propaganda than any other country. Do we have more personal freedoms in many areas than people in China? Absolutely. Are there many areas throughout society where I think America has pushed the world forward and made it a better place? Absolutely.

But I'm getting really sick of seeing America compared to China just to say "we're better".

[–] PRUSSIA_x86@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Funny you should ask

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/04/30/vietnamese-see-u-s-as-key-ally/

Yet four decades after the controversial war, the Vietnamese public sees the United States as a helpful ally and even embraces some of the core tenets of capitalism.

Today, the Vietnamese view the U.S. in a positive light. About three-quarters of Vietnamese (76%) expressed a favorable opinion of the U.S. in a 2014 Pew Research Center survey. More highly educated people (89%) gave the U.S. especially high marks. Young people ages 18-29 were particularly affirmative (89%), but the U.S. is seen positively even by those who are old enough to have lived through the Vietnam War. Among those ages 50 and older, more than six-in-ten rated the U.S. favorably.

[–] clanginator@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah I shouldn't have used Vietnam as an example bc I am aware that they're somehow largely favorable to the US still, but the lasting effects of US imperialism on the population there is what I was really trying to get at.

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