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The Chinese Communist Party is absolutely not above criticism, but I always found the China obsession on reddit to be odd. While I don't think it should be banned outright, I think y'all ought to consider what is motivating such a weird fetish (because frankly that is) for a specific government.
There's a crazy amount of sinophobia on Reddit, but let's be clear, the people who fervently defend the Chinese government are being just as disingenuous.
It's not sinophobia to criticize the CCP. I haven't seen anyone saying anything about the Chinese people. What's more common is criticizing the CCP and its actions as the ruling party of China. I don't think there's generalized "sinophobia" as you claim.
The commenter above made it pretty clear that criticism of the government, i.e. the CCP isn't the issue. The issue at hand is that there most definitely is casual racism on some very popular subreddits that are tolerated more than I'd like. Redditors have blindspots, just like anyone do, but their particular blindspots include casually racist attitudes towards Chinese people. I hope that you're just lucky in the types of threads and subs you frequent, but I 1000% have seen more than just casual sinophobia that had nothing to do with criticizing their government.
idk maybe i am indeed very lucky cuz i have not seen that, and instead have seen a lot of criticism against ccp being re-purposed as "sinophobia" by the genzedong community.
notice, for example, how we ended up talking about racism in a thread about criticizing the CCP. coincidence? i think not.
I don't really know who they are, but it's still important to consider even if some bad actors also bring it up disingenuously. The alt-right likes to call everyone groomers now, that doesn't mean grooming is a convenient smoke-screen that isn't real.
i don't know what you're talking about here. what's important to consider? that criticizing the ccp may be racist? and what does the alt-right calling ppl groomers have to do with the topic? sorry i don't see the connections here.
I'm saying that it's important to consider that just because disingenuous people call attention to something as a way to dismiss your argument, it does not mean it's not real. It just means they know how to dismiss your argument really well.
What does that have to do with the alt-right? Because lately any time someone says that it's not evil to be gay and that pride month isn't some national holiday to turn everyone gay, instead of trying to defend their insane stance they just call you a pedophile or groomer and leave it at that. They don't actually care about pedophiles or groomers, otherwise they'd actually do something about the church or conservative congress members either being investigated for or charged with sex crimes against minors. All that matters is whatever works to shut you up.
dismissing criticism of ccp as sinophobia is not a "dismissing the argument really well", it's just bad faith argumentation
the fact that the alt-right has an agenda when they criticize the ccp, due to political reasons or otherwise, is
if your argument is that there's ppl who criticize genocide due to geopolitical reasons instead of actually caring about the genocide, and that thus, we should not align ourselves with them, and to do so, we should refuse to criticize the genocide...
now if you're saying "there's ppl with an agenda, so you should question their information", fo sho, we should question all sources, biased or not, but the biased sources even more.
however, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't mention problems where we see them, criticize things we think are wrong, or that we should endlessly hesitate about shit and worry about everything we say because, maybe despite the fact that it's very credible, it could have a remote chance of being wrong, and maybe it's better to think that the holocoust may not have happened because maybe we're victimizing the germans and maybe there's a jewish conspiracy to fabricate.. do you see where i'm going? lmao.
ultimately, you're biased, i'm biased, everyone's biased, and i like free speech and will practice it whenever i want, and i invite you to visit !fucktheccp@sh.itjust.works because why not. /out
I feel as if you missed the entire point of what I'm saying to be honest, and I don't know how else to rephrase so that you do so I'm just gonna give up on that. I'll check out the community just for the sake of charitability.
Yeah tbh I didn't very much understand what the point was regarding alt-rights criticizing gays and queers with an agenda, and how you were plugging that into the CCP criticism. I don't personally think that alt-righters doing anything should affect the way I do things cuz why should I let them lead my life, same as commies or any other ideologues. I am me and I do what I want.