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But do you condemn Hamas?
Yep. Shit's easy.
I think that's what you're missing. The Zionist state is indiscriminately murdering Palestinians, and has been for decades.
Hamas actions to fight back should be widely supported.
They have a UN affirmed right to armed resistance.
And they're resisting.
yikes. There are actual Hamas supporters here?
I support the fighters in the PFLP, the secular communists.
They're fighting alongside Hamas, though.
In my opinion it's not a good idea to play the liberals' game of supporting only the good rebels (the ones that Western media tells Westerners to like) because it is disingenuous and idealistic from the get go. Liberals picking sides like sports team while sitting in their colonial ivory tower hinges on a complete disregard for history and colonial realities. It would be super cool if the largest armed organization in Palestine was leftist and secular but Hamas is the preponderant organisation for a reason. Israel has specifically worked to make Islamic fundamentalists the face of Palestinian resistance because they are easier to deligitimise. This is in line with the wider history of colonial powers robbing sovreignty from the Arab world.
Also, if you look at history, those who liberals considers "good rebels" were usually either reactionaries that rebelled against the liberation, got killed off or at best turned their country from colonial to neocolonial. Ever relevant example is Vendee, which was rebellion explicitly aimed against liberals, but they praise it anyway since it was reactionary even when the bar was much higher.
I absolutely agree! I was trying to coyly bring it around to supporting Hamas (like, if I support the "good rebels" and they directly support Hamas, then I do too, at least for now).
I was thinking that could cut off the usual talking points, but I could probably work on it.
I think you just need to elaborate that if they have critical support for Hamas that you do too, or something like that to explain where youโre going with it
That makes sense, thank you!
Critical supporters. Hamas has its dark sides although I would reckon that the impression you get off them from western media is biased and nothing they have done compares to the atrocities committed by zionists. In a better world secular communists like the PFLP would be leading the resistance but we don't live in a better world and right now they are the ones doing most of the actual resistance.
Palestinians have a right to defend themselves and resist and ultimately they are the best judges of how to do it. I am certainly not going to sit and lecture Palestinians on how to resist here from the comfort of the imperial core.
Yikes. Where are they so I can give them a medal?
We are all Hamas on this blessed day
Absolutely
Hamas is based and I hope they win