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It’s not going to happen any time soon. The Overton Window in the UK has slid so far that it is now accepted (by both major parties and the mainstream media) that joining the EU in the first place was a historic mistake, and even as expectations of Brexit dividends have made way for the reality of massive economic damage, the narrative has shifted to this being a necessary price to pay for correcting this mistake and retaking our historic destiny as the Mighty Lion-Race Of Albion or whatever bollocks. The idea that the UK should be in the EU is as much on the lunatic fringe as the idea that it should leave was a decade ago. Maybe in another decade’s time, once the humiliation has truly sunk in, Britain’s constituent nations will rejoin one by one, at that time happy to adopt the Euro, metric beer glasses and driving on the right if that’s what it takes.
It's worth saying that both major parties are way out of line with the electorate on this - polling of whom shows:
there were consistent majorities for Remain from about mid-2017 until Brexit happened; and
there has been a consistent polling plurality for Rejoin pretty much since that point onwards (and sometimes outright polling majorities for Rejoin).
So neither of those parties are currently speaking for a large (and possibly majority) share of the electorate on this issue. When such situations arise, it's rare for the electorate to be the ones who have to change their mind and accord with what the politicians think...
What I expect will happen in the coming years (particularly after Labour go into government next year) is that the Lib Dems will get increasingly bolshy on this issue and probably build towards announcing a Rejoin manifesto in the run up to the 2028/9 general election, and Labour will start bleeding votes to them. That will force Labour to shift its position (in the same way they shifted their position on a People's Vote after the Lib Dems trounced them in Labour strongholds at the 2019 EU elections).
By the end of this decade, Rejoin will be a very mainstream position among British politicians in the way it already is with British voters.
Still, that means it is probably not going to happen until the last years of the following decade at the earliest and that is if a significant effort is made to reduce the gap on standards and regulations introduced in the last few years.
Nah, they'll begin the candidacy talks, the U.K. will say "soo same deal as before, maybe we compromise on the color of the passport?" the E.U. will say "LMAO. To start with, the Euro is non-negotiable" and that will be the end of that until 2050 at least.
Having a Rejoin movement in the UK is one thing, good on them for rubbing the Leavers' noses into their own shit stains, but everything I know about the UK shows that you will never get a majority of voters in favor of the new accession rules, that have been repeatedly stated by the EU as non-negotiable (for obvious geopolitical reasons of fairness towards other EU member states as well as fear of precedent-setting).
8 EU-countries are outside the eurozone, though.
Either because they joined before that was a requirement and have a special exemption (what the UK had before they left and what Denmark has), don't meet the economic requirements, or are Sweden and meet the requirement but haven't started the procedure which is a weird loophole nobody cares enough to patch... yet.
Nobody really cares that Sweden isn't using the Euro even though going by the spirit of the law they should, but the U.K. is a much more important economic player that I don't see the EU allowing to keep absolute control over its currency.
And they had the best deal in the entire EU.
Morons, all those Exit voters. Utter morons,.
Less than a quarter of the people voted though so the real morons are the people who didn't vote at all.
I take exception to lion-race of albion. While to my knowledge not a real thing very Scottish. And we voted overwhelmingly to remain.
I'm sorry, what? This doesn't reflect my experience at all. Source, pls?
Or, to write it in British: bollocks, mate.
Edit: other than "it's not going to happen soon", of course.
I think you read too much of the daily mail. They know it's an absolute economic catastrophe so they're trying to rephrase the question to be something about national pride. The trouble is being prideful of your country actually requires your country to not be a complete dump.