I’m moving my posts from Reddit to Lemmy before delete them.
This post is from 2021-11-11.
It should've been apt-get but welp.
this post was submitted on 16 Jul 2023
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I'm sorry, but blaming him for breaking his os because he didn't check for updates first is ridiculous. The difference is that in Windows, the entire os wouldn't break if you decided to install steam first. If it did, you would blame Microsoft. Same with MacOS.
It's not his fault. It was a bug in the os, which is the fault of the pop_os! developers. You also can't blame him if the command he used was wrong, because Linux users love giving terminal commands to people without explanation and refusal to explain how it could also be done via the UI if preferred.
You know what the better reaction would be? To criticise the developers for allowing a bug like that to make it into production. To explain to the user that it happened to that it's not their fault, it was a rare bug, and was super unfortunate. Offer them an explanation, maybe suggest other distros that are more polished, and help them with their Linux journey.
Blaming them for something that wasn't their fault isn't welcoming, isn't going to want to make them want to stay, and will make sure they think twice before trying again.
Not sure why you're upset that he didn't want to use Fedora? That's the beauty of Linux, there are plenty of distros. That's what sets Linux apart. Maybe you don't want to use Ubuntu because of it's layout, or a different distro because it's red and you like green. No matter the reason, who cares? Guess what? I've had more issues with Fedora than any other distro I've ever used. If you asked me, I'd say Linux Mint is the best ootb experience, and I'm sure someone else will tell me that Linux Mint fucked their wife and killed their cat and that I'm a stupid racist for thinking that.
Edit: also want to make it clear that windows and MacOS both have their own issues, some of which are really bad. No OS is perfect, and I think we should stop being weirdly defensive over a damn operating system. If one of them was leagues better, multiple OSes wouldn't exist.
Obligatory I use Arch, BTW
But dependencies for proprietary software are part of why I use the Steam Flatpak. It doesn't matter what other community and AUR packages are installed, the Steam Flatpak is unaffected by that for the most part.
I really do think something like Flatpak could lead to more Linux adoption. Package management played an important role but sometimes it can be a hindrance IMHO
You blamed him for a bug in the OS because he didn't do things exactly how you think they should be done. You didn't give an opinion, you shifted blame.
Sorry you feel like having a discussion is toxic, but telling someone you stopped reading half way through and saying goodbye is, in fact, toxic behavior.
I'm fine not having a discussion with you further.
If I install an operating system from an image built within the last 20 years, it being able to install a single piece of software is a perfectly reasonable expectation.
Yes, it's good practice to check for updates first. You do it, I do it. But Linus here represents something special here. He is a technical user but unfamiliar with Linux. If he can cause a system to completely break by simply asking it to install one piece of software in a standard way, then what hope is there for a layman?
Getting on your high horse and talking about the "right" order to do things makes you seem like an elitist looking down on the poor peons who dare to try and use their OS in any other way than the one you deem correct. That's why people think you're upset.
Oh, and as for blaming Linus, you did literally say it was Linus' user error and that he only has himself to blame. Your words, not mine.
What are you doing, if not placing the blame on the user by calling it a "user error"?
Your exact words, taken from your post. You literally said that he has only himself to blame.
I know you went on a whole thing in the other thread but. There is a reason why Windows has automatic updates and sometimes forces a restart on you. It's because the average user never update anything. Ever.