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Tories facing general election wipeout with just 130 seats, says polling guru
(www.independent.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 10 Dec 2023
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I'm not sure what this adds to your comment.
I completely disagree that it'll be "red Tories", his voting record is nothing like the "softer Tories". It just won't be as left as some people want.
All this doom and gloom about Starmer also plays right into the Tory smear playbook. If they can get everyone to talk about it then it doesn't matter how true or false it is. People who would have voted are now feeling "what's the point" and the Tories can win through disaffection.
Yeah it could be better with a different Labour leader, but fucking hell, it'll be a hell of a lot better than the past decade of rotating Tory failures we've had as PM.
Don't use headlines as basis for your opinion, use his voting record to show what he really believes.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25353/keir_starmer/holborn_and_st_pancras/votes
He has voted against restricting legal aid
He has voted against tuition fees.
He has voted against reducing welfare benefits
He has voted for increasing disability payments
That's not Tory.
That's right. I was someone who fell into the "they're red tories" trap during the Blair years. We were spoilt and didn't know how good we had it.
Yeah "They are all the same" clearly wasn't true then, let's not fall for it again. It's too damaging to the country.
Blair was New Labour, which I suppose you could call them, Tories Lite, but that's kind of unnuanced.
Regardless, "New Labour" essentially doesn't exist anymore.
Not "unnuanced", completely unjustified.
Even New Labour has absolutely no relationship to the Tories, spending on services went up, standards of living went up, child poverty went down, the economy grew, everyone was better off.
The only down point for the UK was during the global recession caused by the Americans, but that can't be blamed on Labour.
Then the Tories came back, cut everything, reduced taxes, and it all went to shit.
The problem with that comparison is that the Tories have been shifting more and more right for a decade now.
New Labour was supposed to combat Tory classic, not this new branch of wingnuts. You know the Tories of the '90s they did at least recognize that welfare was something they had to spend money on.
I'm not that young, I remember the 80's and 90's.
Relative poverty levels increased in the 80's, were fairly flat in the early 90's and decreased while New Labour was in power. Afterwards it flattened and has been increasing.
https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/publications/improving-our-understanding-of-uk-poverty-will-require-better-data/
Just because Tory now is a complete and utter mess, doesn't make New Labour the same as Thatcher and Major.
It's always a bad idea to let one party form your opinion of the opposing party.
If only more had your common sense.