No. There's no plausible deniability here. These bands' whole gimmick is that they're Nazis. It's not some catchy tune you randomly heard on the radio. There is nothing subtle about it. It's racist songs with racist lyrics. You would have to seek it out to listen to this garbage.

[+] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

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[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Well I don’t live in Japan so I’m not worried about that. Also, tons of Japanese people speak English.

[–] Lianodel@ttrpg.network 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Also, can we appreciate how desperate and nonsensical that entire argument was?

Okay, lots of them are Japanese. So... what about the ones that aren't? Why isn't that person concerned about the one who absolutely understand what it means?

And secondly... it's still a huge red flag that Japanese customers were going so far out of their way to buy extremely obscure music from racist bands from an overtly Nazi music seller. If an American specifically imported music from a Japanese shop only racists know or care about, covered in Axis power imagery, that'd still point towards being a huge racist.

That user is seriously turning themselves in knots to defend people who buy Nazi music from the Nazi store.

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This might surprise you, but Japan has very close ties with fascism. Ever seen the Japanese flag with the rays coming from the center red sun? That's the flag of Imperial Japan, a fascist terror that scarred much of Asia. Japan refuses to denounce their war crimes, and there are an unfortunate number of reactionary fascists who use the flag of Imperial Japan as a symbol they support.

I'm absolutely not saying that every Japanese person is a fascist, not even close. I am, however, saying that I'm fairly confident that these particular Japanese fans are aware of the Nazi ideology of the bands they listen to, and listen precisely because of that.

[–] SkippingRelax@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

You are defending the indefensible, would you give the benefit of the doubt to a p*do ring too? They are fucking Nazis, have been open about this for three decades they sell Nazi paraphernalia, they host Nazism bands. You accidentally listening to Celine Dion once doesn't compare.

People are indeed becoming unhinged with all this misplaced tolerance: fascists need to be dealt with straight away, we have so many examples in history about what happens when you hive them the benefit of the doubt. I can't believe this site's been up since the 90s.

[–] PoliticalAgitator@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago

I've listened to songs with suicidal lyrics, I'm not suicidal

A song with "suicidal lyrics" is not even remotely comparable to the albums this site sells, which is why they don't need a dedicated pro-suicide website to sell them on.

Would you rush to defend an album put out by ISIS, that pushed the agenda of ISIS, with all profits going to ISIS?

It's getting exhausting seeing people become increasingly unhinged and justifying it because "well, they're baddies."

Then maybe you should explain your exhaustion to the group responsible for their overwhelming majority of mass shootings, who openly celebrate the killing of black and LGBT+ people, rather than someone you've decided isn't appropriately sad that neo-nazis got exposed for doing a thing they did.