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Meta just announced that they are trying to integrate Threads with ActivityPub (Mastodon, Lemmy, etc.). We need to defederate them if we want to avoid them pushing their crap into fediverse.

If you're a server admin, please defederate Meta's domain "threads.net"

If you don't run your own server, please ask your server admin to defederate "threads.net".

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[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

By all means, fuck Meta to the moon and back, but for goodness' sake, users on federated servers can choose to block the domain with the same result, not to mention that admins can simply restrict it (see social.coop/@eloquence/1115888…). It just isn't so black and white as people are making it seem.

Federation with a bigger platform is realistically the only way for Fedi to become mainstream, and at the moment Meta seems at least to be trying to be communicative. And with their quite unvaluable userbase they really don't have enough leverage against the privacy-concious Fediverse to turn AP into MetaPub. For now.

[–] moitoi@feddit.de 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You're playing the classic "it's the individual responsability" game. It's how you deregulate everything and the consumer losses every right.

We have to acknowledge that we have systemic or/and societal issues. This is a systemic issues so a common thing.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

But I don't want the fediverse to become mainstream!!

I know, I know, most people think it's the best thing.

But I selfishly prefer the fediverse to be as it is now. Actually, as it was a couple of months ago. Lemmy is already being filled with rage-baiting bullshit, which is one of the reasons I decided to leave reddit.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

I am 100% with you. Becoming mainstream is what ruins most good communities that end up ruined. Hell, even Facebook was a 1000x better before they opened it to non-college users.

[–] masimatutu@nerdica.net 3 points 1 year ago

It really depends on the instance. There are many cozy, non-mainstream corners on the Fediverse. For instance, beehaw.org is as pleasant as can be.

[–] Masimatutu@mander.xyz -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because the Fediverse is mainstream doesn't mean that the content on every instance is mainstream; instances can display content however they like. It really is rather selfish to say that you want everyone to stay in the corporate walled gardens just so that you can enjoy your unfiltered feed.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It really is rather selfish

Uh, yeah. I already mentioned that.

[–] Masimatutu@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know, I'm just emphasising on it, and its needlessness.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We disagree, and that's okay.

[–] Masimatutu@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well I'd really like you to elaborate. What prevents individual instances from being a nice environment even if it can connect to a giant network? On Lemmy for instance there are several instances with very nice local feeds and also on several microblogging instances there are strong internal communities. Just because the rest of the Fediverse is there doesn't mean you have to see it all.

[–] Masimatutu@mander.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That said, there is a lot that can be done on a lot of platforms to give communities more of their own touch. Right now, most Fediverse platforms are currently very invested into the idea of complete decentralisation and treat other instances just like their own.

Half-centralisation measures like allowing microblogs to be unlisted outside the home instance or being able to hide a community from other instances' All feeds, or even blocking outside users from posting in a community, would definitely be welcome. Point is the solution is not to keep the entire network small, but rather features encouraging interaction locally allowing for community building.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All good points. I'm just tired of moving to a spot (slashdot, digg, reddit, etc) only for it to be invaded by the same toxic, race-baiting crowd. And I think in the fediverse that may occur way more often. Say, today I'm in Lemmy.world. Then I move to Beehaw. Then Reddthat, etc....

We shall see.

[–] Masimatutu@mander.xyz 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you want to avoid the toxic crowd, I definitely recommend Beehaw.org. Their entire purpose is to build a community without the toxicity often seen on social media platforms. In fact, they have even defederated lemmy.world because they couldn't control said crowd.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Thanks! I've been to Beehaw a few times in the past, and I liked what I've seen. I guess it's time to make it my home once and for all.

[–] Agent_Engelbert@linux.community -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So then we shall propose to let them in at our own terms ?

That's quite reasonable to me, and less radical in my humble opinion.

But I also see how one may arrive at such a conclusion, as all parties may not be as welling to accept such terms and conditions, or even be able to make such terms and conditions enforceable.

One instance may accept favours from meta, and then it spreads out uncontrollably... And then ... Its gets more complex.

Perhaps the safest option is to limit their present shares to a maximum of 40% in our servers. That is, they cannot be allowed to have more than a set amount of API exposure to the feeds - and they must allow us to reciprocate, like wise, by being able to have access to theirs by more than 40%. The value of assets can surely be established and estimated par costs of maintenance and OA, etc...