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That is naive look on it. Meta(Facebook) is a company, it's always company interest and only company interest. The idea of fediverse is to stay out of data tracking, user profiling, not to help it in any way. Connecting with meta is workoing aginst fediverse. It might be a mistake fediverse never recovers from, even now it's really small fedi community.
Why would we as fedi users, mods and admins help meta or any other company, for what, for their interest that they sell on "we love fediverse", "cusotmer first" bla bla bla.
Imaging for a moment all non-company-mail-servers would block all company-mail-servers (like gmail). Would that be a good idea?
Yes, that would be a great idea because it would free the email protocol taken over by all big tech.
The more I think about it, you're right. Having email in the hands of a few for-profit tech giants has really damaged the entire concept of email. Every day, I see comments about people whose unique email servers are automatically filtered by Google and Microsoft's platforms. It would be massively beneficial to block all the big companies and have a healthier ecosystem like we have here in the fediverse.
o/
Your argument is inherently flawed and born of confident ignorance. You can do better.
This isn't email. Email wasn't built purposefully able to block entire instances of email. Terrible comparison
Idea of Fediverse is to provide decentralized network of social servers connected to each other. Defederation is an optional feature if some instance would go rogue. For now, connecting with Threads is not against Fediverse, it's the opposite. Connecting with Threads fullfills the idea of Fediverse.
Disagree, federating with meta will kill the fedi. It will put all power in big tech.
He's just some paid shill. They've been infiltrating Lemmy for months. Don't even waste breath arguing with them. Just downvote them, jot down their screennames and warn others not to listen to them. Arguing with them directly is what they want so they can convince others there's a legitimate debate to be had.
l o l, how you deduce I'm a "paid shill". you sound more like paid shill tbh, even you probably aren't
edit: now I see i probably i misunderstood you, sorry
It's all good. I am talking about the shill you were getting goaded by, not you. Don't sweat it; it happens.
lol moderator removed my comment simply saying I enjoy using Threads!
You guys are hilarious!
Then go back to Threads and stop helping corporate oligarchs take over the internet.
Thanks for your concern about me!
Don’t worry, I do use threads and enjoy it quite a bit!
It’s easily the friendliest social media I’ve ever used, and I’ve never even had a Facebook account!
It’s sweet you think lil ole us using the internet actually affects things on the grand scheme of billions of users, though! Bless your heart!
Then go back to Threads and stop bothering everyone else.
I am on Threads my guy, this is the internet you can be in multiple places at once.
Also, how am I bothering everyone else?
Are y’all not ganging up on me and my opinion? Does it bother you guys to be bullies to someone for sharing a dissenting voice to yours?
I’m sorry if having a choice bothers you, I’m sorry if hearing something opposite of what you want bothers you.
Nobody is asking you to be a jerk to people who differ in what they would like.
Then get off of Threads, go outside and go touch some grass.
I’m not a fan of grass, horrible invasive monoculture that harms the native insect populations. I’ll blow some dandelions for you though if that helps you feel safer about my social media preferences.
Yeah, we can tell. You NEED the grass. And oxygen. And water. And soap.
Okay.
So like, you realize if you don’t want to use threads you don’t have to, right? Just because other people like it doesn’t mean you have to turn into a cranky curmudgeon.
Why turn to insults just because we have different views on things?
How it will kill Fedi? Many people here are against big corporations so they will never quit Lemmy instance to move to Threads. But connecting to Threads will bring many new users. We can teach them the great power of Fediverse. We can communicate with each other despite having data on separate servers and anybody can choose an instance that is closer to their beliefs and opinions.
Same how google killed xmpp, how big tech killed email. Meta and big tech are just too powerful and they can destroy, takeover fedi with resources they have.
Last time I checked XMPP and e-mails are working just fine. I don't know what you mean. How exactly Meta will kill Fedi?
With xmpp you could chat with people on messenger just by having xmpp account somewhere else. Now you cannot. And no email is not working just fine, self hosting email is hard now beacuse you are getting blocked if you are using big tech servers.
XMPP has it's own problems, not really pleasant user experience etc. But yes, facebook first embraced it the cut you off anyone you had on messenger.
If this happens, meta will takeover fedi.
I really don't understand this. We want to block them now, because they will block us later and this will kill Fediverse. I don't see a point really. Wouldn't blocking them kill Fedi even faster? As far as I know, Lemmy is slowly losing it's users. Letting them in will only strengthen Fediverse.
Now, fedi then develops in autonomus manner, as much as possible. There are problems with centralization on fedi even now without meta.
Letting them in will only help meta EEE(embrace, extened, extinguish) it.
Which still doesn't mean fedi should cooperate with meta or any other big tech, I dare to say not even with any company.
This is not cooperation, this is take over by meta. So far I see most fedi users are aganist federation with meta, I'm glad that's the case.
Same story as XMPP
Expecting the kiddies to actually learn from the past is too much. Because human beings in general don't learn well from the past.
Facebook / meta has too much history of abuse. OTOH I don't think it's necessary to fully defederate, but setting a server defaults per-account to filter their instance would reduce their influence and risk of abuse while still allowing people to opt in to connecting to them