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[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

since they're chromium i don't trust them an inch with my personal data.

This is such a ridiculous position. Do you have any evidence at all that every Chromium browser (even the ones specifically designed to avoid this) are transmitting your personal data?

[–] barryamelton@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

Evidence? OF COURSE!

Have you even tried searching for it?

Google even says so for Chromium on its own official page!

https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/144289/privacy-with-chromium

You don't need to trust us. Trust Google, they are telling you legally if you want to listen.

Also, look up the handful of open bugs on the Debian but tracker, where known people, with name and faces (I've met some on conferences), showcase and share how Chromium calls home and sends encrypted data. They share their Wireshark logs.

https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=792580;msg=53

Look up how Debian removed Chromium for a time, until some of it got removed upstream.

And all of this doesn't mean that Google cannot re-introduce it or add different approaches in new updates.

Plus, Google actively creates and pushes for their "standards" via Chrome(ium), which allows them to push for even more surveillance.

In addition, Chromium is not a community project. It's developed behind closed doors, with a secret roadmap, and a code dump happens on release. That's no way to develop the 90% of web browser market that society needs in this day and age. But, don't think you will care about that, do you? you are happy with papa Google for the foreseeable.

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

Have you even tried searching for it?

Of course I have. I've never found any substantiation, which is why I'm asking. I use them every day so I would certainly like to know if there is, but the concerns I constantly see only apply to Chrome, and not Chromium-based browsers.

Google even says so for Chromium on its own official page!

This is specifically for the Chromium browser, not Chromium-based browsers. I know, it's confusing. Chromium is basically just the open-sourced version of Chrome.

Plus, Google actively creates and pushes for their "standards" via Chrome(ium), which allows them to push for even more surveillance.

This is yet another item attributed to Chrome and it's users. You can totally create a Chromium fork that adheres to conventional standards.

[–] barryamelton@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Of course I have. I’ve never found any substantiation, which is why I’m asking. I use them every day so I would certainly like to know if there is, but the concerns I constantly see only apply to Chrome, and not Chromium-based browsers.

Just run WIreshark against your Chromium then. Enjoy.

This is specifically for the Chromium browser, not Chromium-based browsers. I know, it’s confusing. Chromium is basically just the open-sourced version of Chrome.

Did you read the link I posted?

Let me copy-paste directly from the Chromium office page for you then:

Additional Information on Chromium, Google Chrome, and Privacy

Features that communicate with Google made available through the compilation of code in Chromium are subject to the Google Privacy Policy.

There, you have it. Now you can try moving more goalposts again, and provide excuses for them.

This is yet another item attributed to Chrome and it’s users. You can totally create a Chromium fork that adheres to conventional standards.

Nah it's not. I'm talking about Google pushing and implementing IETF standards that hamstring privacy. They are open standards, but they are malicious. That a standard is open doesn't mean is doing things that are not ethical.

To me, it's obvious that you don't even want to look for proof. Why so hell-bent on taking the stance of a state-level billionare corporation built by extracting privacy from users? How do you think they got there?

Or do you have something specific against the legal non-profit organization that is Mozilla?

[–] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To me it's clear, based on your personal attacks, that you have no interest in an honest discussion so I will not engage with you further. Goodbye.

[–] HeavenAndHell@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Personal attacks? Jesus, you are a little cupcake.

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