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I think a major deterrent from contributing things that aren't code is that whoever is implementing it might think their design is better just because it's theirs.
Try talking to the GNOME team, for example. You will never be able to get a suggestion past them because they're always right and you're always wrong.
Even when you prove them wrong and they backpedal, they are still correct and you are still wrong.
I ran into basically this with home assistant. Commented on an issue about an integration to point out that it didn't work at all, and to support another user that had rewritten it in a way that fixed it. The approval dev jumped in to say that they only permit single changes to be approved. That's fine, I guess, but to fix the issue multiple changes were necessary. The user that had rewritten it then tried to limit the change to a single fix, but because that didn't resolve the issue they blocked the change. The integration still doesn't work and the user stopped trying to fix it.
I totally believe you.
That kind of rigidity in software design leads me to believe more people need to read The Pragmatic Programmer.
I, of course, do not; because I am already a pragmatic programmer.
Gee if someone wants to fix an issue they can be my guest, that way I don't have to deal with it. It's not that people aren't pragmatic it's that they are little generals of their own world and they don't want to give that up even if it would make the world better.
I've met some absolute Napoleon's in my time programming. I don't know what it is that attracts them, perhaps it's that programmers historically tend not to have very good social skills in general? I don't know, but it's weird. You'd think they'd all be total nerds and be somewhat deferent, but nope.
I mean, you‘re not wrong. But I think you’r example applies to far more than you think.
I think the reason we are in a dystopian hellscape is because people need to be always right and never say sorry. That is why the master manipulators are running our countries and economies. Because then you can be always right, poor and exploited but always right.
The movie idiocracy is a perfect depiction of our current world.
But I think we can make it happen nevertheless. We need to tackle points like yours and take them serious. This would be excellent in a code of conduct for the foss community to take on.
I said similar in another comment. The Lemmy devs are the same.
Lemmy only exists because Reddit kicked some fascists off the side a couple of years ago and they didn't like that. So, yeah, they're not stable.