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What DID Apple innovate? (lemmy.world)

submitted 11 months ago by ElPussyKangaroo@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Genuine question.

I know they were the scrappy startup doing different cool things. But, what are the most major innovative things that they introduced, improved or just implemented that either revolutionized, improved or spurred change?

I am aware of the possibility of both fanboys and haters just duking it out below. But there's always that one guy who has a fkn well-formatted paragraph of gold. I await that guy.

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[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world -2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The LG Prada was the first capacitive touch-screen phone. March 2007 release compared to iPhone's July 2007 release.

Samsung also fought a patent war with Apple when Apple sued Samsung for creating a similar phone to the iPhone in 2008. The court docs had examples of Samsung's first touchscreen phone.

Apple are very good at marketing and had a powerful personality that people worshiped (Jobs).

Spend 5 mins watching videos by Louis Rossman fixing Macbooks and you'll realise they are shitty products.

[–] NIB@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A couple months are irrelevant, obviously both phones were designed and released in a similar timetable. Lg prada wasnt a smart phone and didnt have multitouch.

And while many people have turned against modern iphones, i think modern iphones are the best phones on the market. I wouldnt even recommend an iphone from 10+ years ago but modern iphones have addressed almost all issues that i had.

They had

shit screen resolution
not oled
tiny screens
terrible cameras
not usb-c
shitty cpu
shitty gpu
very little ram(they still do but most apps are designed with that in mind)
no fm radio(now almost no phones have one)
no headphone jack(same)
inability to easily send media and files from one from to another
limited variety of apps

I am probably forgetting tons of other issues that i had with iphones over the years. And apple took all these weaknesses and not only caught up to the competition, but surpassed it and made then a key marketing point.

Samsung also fought a patent war with Apple when Apple sued Samsung for creating a similar phone to the iPhone in 2008. The court docs had examples of Samsung’s first touchscreen phone.

I actually bought samsung wave in 2010, which was the first phone with an oled screen. And it was great, apart from the limited app support, since it was running Bada, a samsung created android competitor. And since then, i refused to get an non oled screen phone. Once you go black, you cant go back.

I think that samsung makes the best android phones.

Spend 5 mins watching videos by Louis Rossman fixing Macbooks and you’ll realise they are shitty products.

I dont care or know much about macbooks but it is obvious that Rossman has an agenda and keeps making "artificial outrage" videos(because they bring the views). From what little experience i have, it seems to me that expensive windows laptops fall apart more often than macbook pros. And all windows laptops have shit battery life, which is very important for many people.

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wooooah ok let me start by addressing your point RE: Macbooks. You may not know about them but if you do then you realise Apple's tech and entire business is questionable. I suggest you read more...

I'm talking about old Louis Roassman, not modern-day 'consumer champion' Louis. The guy ran a Youtube channel in the 2010s where he just fixed Macbooks in his shop. It was his day job as the owner of a laptop repair shop. He's a laptop repair guy by trade so I listen to him when it comes to laptop build quality.

I found him after my unibody Macbook Pro fell apart in 2011. It was the first model that came out in 08/09. He was very straight forward (no agenda) and showed how shitty the design & build of the Macbook was. Those issues still exist today!:

On my Macbook:

The screen has a very thin metal around it to hold the panel in place. This thin metal then has screws put through it to hold it in. It leaves a less than 1mm piece of metal either side of the screw. The result: my Macbook Pro's frame around the screen snapped, the glue separated and the whole lid/screen fell apart 3 years after I'd bought it.
The vents that face out of the back of the Macbook blow hot air onto what? GLUE! The bottom of the lid/screen is glued together and the hot vents heat and cool the lid constantly. After 3 years, as above, the lid separated at the bottom from the panel.

The two aboive combined so I basically had a panel, lid and frame all separated and snapped. It was fucking MESS. But Louis showed this was a common problem and I was shit out of luck.

NB: Not to mention the 3-4 hardware issues that cropped up during my ownership in just 3 years due to fucked up graphics chips and other hardware fuckups due to shoddy design. Apple tries REALLY fucking hard to avoid accepting hardware faults and recalls but I was plugged into all the Apple forums/communities and saw how often these things happened and every time without fail Apple would go blue in the face before accepting liability.

Remember the stupid as fuck iPhone aerial that stopped working if you were LEFT HANDED?! There was a gap in the edge of the case that if bridged with a hand would drop the signal to 0. Apples response? "Don't use it left-handed"

So what did I do?

I swore off Apple products. I noticed Louis was a fan of Lenovo laptops so I looked at what was available. I got a P51 and it's still going after 6 years.

Lenovo Thinkpads don't look sexy. They aren't 'unibody' aluminium. But holy shit - they're built like fucking tanks. I can poor a litre of water over the keyboard of my P51 and it'll still work cos it has built-in drainage holes. Do that to a Macbook - or hell try using a Macbook for more than a few years and it'll break and fall apart.

Apple products are NOT well built. They LOOK nice, but they're shitty engineering.

[–] NIB@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Design flaws exist in most laptops. But making videos about how shitty hp laptops are wont get many views and engagement.

I have had tons of windows laptops failing on me. And yes lenovo thinkpads are nice but they are different. Also i am not so sure they still are good, everything seems to have gone to shit. Very few laptops last over 5 years.

Or phones. Though lately, phones seem to have become more reliable. Then again phones have 0 moving parts and passive cooling, so not many mechanical things that can break.

Apple tries REALLY fucking hard to avoid accepting hardware faults and recalls but I was plugged into all the Apple forums/communities and saw how often these things happened and every time without fail Apple would go blue in the face before accepting liability.

Apple is an asshole company, i dont think many will dispute that. They go the extra mile to fuck you.

I swore off Apple products

I have 0 apple products. But if Apple wasnt making the iphone, i would probably have had an iphone and i wouldnt even consider any other phone.

Apple products are NOT well built. They LOOK nice, but they’re shitty engineering.

They look nice and they are better than other "nice looking" alternatives. High end hp, high end dell, even high end asus. Though dell and asus seem to have improved lately, hp i have no idea, i avoid them like plague.