Please don't open your comments with statements like "I feel like you haven't thought this through". We can have an adult debate without needing to imply that the other person is an idiot.

I do understand your point however, presumably your elderly and frail grandparents are also vulnerable to flu's, colds and all the sorts of different risks to their immune systems. So why stop at COVID? Presumably, if you were coughing up a lung or shitting through the eye of a needle, you wouldn't give grandma a big hug and a kiss just because it's not COVID, you'd stay at home anyway.

Sorry, I don't buy your idea that we had a chance to "stop it in its tracks". Even if we had a coordinated world wide lockdown that everyone abided by, it still would remain dormant in non symptomatic carriers or animal populations. COVID would just be waiting for us to unlock and it'll be back just as it was.

You then have to factor in that not everyone can lockdown. We still need the workers that produce our water and power, our food workers, our bin men and sewage workers, all the people that actually keep our countries running. A full lockdown is an impossibility.

Many people have the false impression that lockdowns were "to stop covid". They weren't, they were for bringing pressure off of over crowded hospitals.

[–] 4lan@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

We are both adults here, right? I think you can handle being told you didn't think it through. I'm not going to use kid-gloves with you and lie to you to serve your ego.

you are still going on implying that COVID is the same as the flu or a cold. The flu has never altered my heartbeat rhythms for years after.

You are still ascribing to the false dichotomy I stated in my comment when you say "not everyone can lock down" absolutely, except tons of people I personally know were still going out on vacations, some knowing they had COVID before flying to their destination.

Just because a full lockdown wouldn't have 100% wiped out COVID doesn't mean we should have given up on stopping the spread. It's not one or the other.

I feel like you are trying to make excuses for endangering the lives of other people so you can not be bored. My Grandfather is buried under 6ft of dirt because of this mentality in Texas. He died needlessly. He was an active man who was writing a novel and was constantly physically active. He had at least 10 years left

A lot of us are not going to forget the actions of our fellow man during the peak of COVID, especially those who lost loved ones needlessly

[–] 13esq@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ok. A well written argument of your own can make me look like I haven't thought things through. But if you feel the need to state it additionally for no other reason than I don't wholly agree with you or because put downs make you feel better or superior, then good for you. This isn't about my ego, I'm just trying to help you improve your debating skills.

I'm not going to debate long COVID. I don't doubt it is a real phenomena but this is because the facts around it are far too vague and this means that making serious policy decisions could be foolhardy. There is no real test for long COVID other than a random assortment of ailments that some people get some of and others get none of, supposedly related to a primary COVID infection in a minority of people.

I'm not arguing about people that broke lockdown laws. I'm suggesting that even with maximum possible levels of compliance that COVID can only be slowed, not stopped.

There is a debate to be had about freedom Vs proposed safety but I don't think we're going to agree. We'd just be wasting eachothers time and getting upset. Sorry you lost your grandad unexpectedly.

Some times shit things happen and there is no reason. It might make you feel better to blame "other idiots" but that doesn't change anything.