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Hi all,

I'm seeing a lot of hate for capitalism here, and I'm wondering why that is and what the rationale behind it is. I'm pretty pro-capitalism myself, so I want to see the logic on the other side of the fence.

If this isn't the right forum for a political/economic discussion-- I'm happy to take this somewhere else.

Cheers!

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[โ€“] Whirling_Ashandarei@beehaw.org 523 points 2 years ago (55 children)

I'm really not trying to be a dick, but uhh... Look around? The world is literally on fire and efforts to put it out or even to stop pouring more gas on it are put down at every turn by capitalists in the never ending pursuit of more money for it's own sake.

Let's start here: are you a capitalist? Do you own any actual capital? I don't mean your own house or car, that is personal property not private property or anything resembling the means of production.

I ask because many people consider themselves capitalist when really they are just workers who happen to own a bit of personal property, and they make themselves essentially useful pawns for actual capitalists.

And, if you're not an actual capitalist, why are you so pro capitalism?

[โ€“] galloog1@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I would reply asking if the people that are making these claims are actually the labor. Are service workers actually the ones producing anything? Western labor is compensated quite well relative to the rest of society which is why these ideas never go anywhere in the West. If you are not an actual laborer, why are you so pro-labor power?

[โ€“] copylefty@lemmy.fosshost.com 20 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Labor != Physical labor or producing physical things

[โ€“] galloog1@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago

Sure but in terms of a general strike, you will know the labor that really matters and what doesn't. Critical labor in the West is compensated accordingly by the market, even by Western standards.

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