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[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago (7 children)

And yet there are so, so many people that don't seem to be able to pull themselves away from it.

I really don't get it.

[–] Hyperlon@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

For the reason above. There's not a serious alternative that replaced it for those people.

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It's fucked up how threads immediately devolved into a bigoted Antisemitic shit hole like twitter in a fraction of the time.

Is it impossible to develop a social media platform that doesn't get overrun with conspiracy whack jobs and assholes?

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Is Mastodon overrun too recently, or...?

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

It's just not a useful platform at present. Maybe one day it'll be relevant enough but not today.

[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Social media in modern times is an instrument of war. It will always be used as such whenever possible. So no, I think the answer is no

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

Social media in modern times is an instrument of war

It is fascinating watching what Iran, Qatar and Russia have pulled off this past few years.

[–] Fluffyb@lemmy.nz 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think we just underestimate the amount of people who think like that

[–] S_204@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

Sadly I've just come to assume most people are Antisemitic bigots these days. I'd rather be pleasantly surprised than disappointed.

[–] MisterFrog@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I never seriously used twitter (I probably have used it less than 10 hours total), but what really is stopping people from getting on mastodon? It's the same thing, and is extremely easy to sign up for.

It's right there, not that I have much of a desire to use it, but if people like twitter, is it just that not enough people are on it? Just the network effect?

[–] Hyperlon@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Twitter has more people, meaning more content. It's the same reason I still have Reddit downloaded.

[–] Moira_Mayhem@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

It's not about having a serious alternative, what twitter does can mostly be written by like 10 people in 3 months. The problem is scaling it to be big enough while eating that cost until enough people start using it.

AND the advertising budget.

There's no real way to break into that now without a ridiculous amount of investor capital which investors are gunshy in offering for shit like this right now.

We don't need an alternative, we need the next generation and I hate to say it but it might just be Discord if they get their shit together.

[–] Moira_Mayhem@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Social momentum is a hell of a thing

[–] bitwolf@lemmy.one 4 points 10 months ago

The network effect is a real doozy.

[–] arc@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

It's all about stickiness. Twitter still has accounts people want to follow whereas other platforms don't so people can't shift or find it hard to. I've seen some prominent users move to Threads, Substack, Bluesky, Mastodon etc. but not enough and scattering to the four winds doesn't help either. If there were an actual exodus of accounts across media, news, celebrities, sports, government etc. then Twitter die on its ass. Or even if big accounts started mirroring their content across other social media services.

And these rival services should really federate. But we all know that the commercial services are loath to cooperate with each other when they want all the pie.

[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I got on twitter because artists I want to follow post there, a lot of them exclusively. They do this because -- in theory -- that is where the audience is, with the biggest potential for growth. Then they all get shadowbanned, even the ones that don't draw porn, because they don't bring in ad revenue or something. Alternatives exist but so many of them refuse to go to another platform because there isn't an audience there, pre-packaged and waiting for them.

I understand it, but also I don't. It's a cyclical problem but only the content-producing side has the power to solve it.

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago

To be fair, there are also people like me who didn't use it at all before, but now do just to watch it burn cause it's funny.

[–] fat_stig@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I really don’t get it.

I'm still on Xitter, but on my own terms. I use a plugin called Control Panel for Twitter, which means I don't get anything on my feed other than stuff from those I follow, and what they share, unless they share some bollocks then I will block shares from them. There are a bunch of Hong Kong activists, journalists and fellow HK travelers who don't use other platforms yet, and I don't want to get cut off from what's happening there. There is also good motorsports contributors, who also post on TikTok and IG which I refuse to go near. In addition there are feeds and posters related to my work, some I can't see anywhere else, then there is some random stuff I can't see anywhere else.

I don't have the Xitter app on my phone and use the same Control Panel plugin to ensure my terms of engagement are maintained on mobile. This plugin, for example blocks anyone who paid Xitter for a blue badge, so I don't see any of their putrid bile in response to those I follow. It also frees you from the "algorithm" that determines what Xitter want's you to see, I only get a chronological timeline feed. Upsells, ads, who to follow, bookmarks and other random bits of UI I never use are also gone.

Basically, it is exactly how I want the whole Xitter experience with none of elmo's shit polluting my screen.

Get it now?

[–] arc@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I use Twitter with the control panel and ad block. Both on my desktop and my phone. The phone doesn't use their app, it uses a web app which gets stripped of all the ads and other bullshit. I peek into Bluesky and Mastodon and post the odd thing there. Some Twitter accounts I follow are starting to mirror on other sites which is a positive thing. I just wish the news services I follow would do the same. I don't get why the BBC (for example) doesn't mirror its content or other news orgs when Twitter / Musk is so hostile to them and their journalists.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago

No. You're still supporting that shitpile and its piece of shit owner.