UK Politics

Thanks for your response which is much better than the tit who simply commented "Political Compass == Shit" with nothing to add.

The central plank of Labour’s economic policy from Gordon Brown to the present day has been to borrow for investment but not for day-to-day spending.

That may have been the case but not anymore that I can see. Why have Labour walked back and reversed all of their pledges on infrastructure spending (E.g. environment pledge, HS2, etc)? Because they just want to continue the same policies as the Tories but more competently.

The differences after that are really just window dressing and changing with the times.

If by chaning with the times you mean Starmer admitting we've got to carry on Tory policy because the country has no money - then yeah I guess. But that['s not "window dressing". Actually, no, it IS window dressing. It's a Tory wearing a red rose and tie. That's the window dressing.

I don't see Nordic-model social democracy here. I see Wes Streeting vowing to "open the door wide to the private sector". A policy that has been proven detrimental to the NHS since it was floated by Major and implemented by Blair.

Wes Streeting looks at Singapore as a model for the UK NHS. A country with great hospitals but it's also a low-tax, one-party dictatorship with eye-watering income inequality. That'd be like looking at North Korea's labour camps and saying we need to import their excellant work ethic.

Starmer’s current trade union policies are more pro-union than Corbyn’s were

I'm wondering if we're talking about the same Labour party. You mean Starmer who veto'd public support of the Unions? Starmer who sacked MPs for speaking on it or showing at pickets? I must admit I initially bought the bullshit he spouted about Labour needing to represent the whole country (business and unions) but seeing the suffering going on in the NHS and the shit doctors and nurses are going through - he's morally wrong. It's not about being a "party of government" it's about makign a moral stand for what's right. Something Starmer seems allergic to.

We need to not get caught up in rhetoric and presentation

I used to agree. I used to say Starmer is just saying what he needs to win. But I can't anymore after a year of him flip-flopping, reversals, transphobia, kissing corporate arse, banning open union support, party purges of anyone left of centre, Palestine, privatisationpolicy

You're absolutely right it's just window dressing - They're just competent Tories.

In fact there's actually Tories that are more left wing than current Labour. One Nation Tories like Theresa May wanted to have workers reps on company boards until it got shot down by all parties concerned. Heaven forbid we implement a policy that has worked well on the "Commie continent".

In a decade when the country is in a worse state people will scrabble around wondering who to vote for and their only choice will be - the same shits with a different coloured tie.

It's based on responses (policies) to a standardised test. It's also set on two axes so it's possible for a party such as UKIP for example to appear left-wing economically than you'd think because some of their policies were made to attract the low income working class vote.

Which is precisely what the BNP did (several left-wing policies) and in fact it's what the OG Nazi's did by adding "Socialist" to their name and initially attracting socialists before the Night of the Long Knives when they purged all left wingers.

So no, it's not bullshit. You just don't know how it works. I'm not suggesting it's perfect and like I pointed out it doesn't predict a party's future changes pr give a detailed account of policies. It's a rough snapshot that gives a taste of a party's placement on two axes.

But you took one look at the fucking pictures and assumed you know best. Which is the level of political nous I've come to expect from other Brits. So do jog on.